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'Titans' reveals Scarecrow and Barbara Gordon in season 3 first look

'Titans' reveals Scarecrow and Barbara Gordon in season 3 first look

MrConor212

I still can’t get over how they done Donna Troy dirty with that scene. Just watching it made me cringe


GoatTheArtist

Yeah out of all of the dumb shit in season 2 that was by far the worst


SimpleYetClean

what scene are you talking about? I cant seem to remember


Quolli

iirc it was the scene at the carnival at the end of the season where all the Titans band together to defeat the big bad. [spoiler](#s "Donna goes to save some carnival attendees as a light pole falls down. She pushes them out of the way and is crushed by it and dies")


SimpleYetClean

Oh yeah, haha, I forgot about that. What a silly scene.


Xian244

At least they seem to understand that it was bad and will are willing to correct it.


rangerxt

Barbara is fine then a random tower collpases and crippled her


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Threwaway42

I’m just baffled why it’s always redheads.


CLint_FLicker

Irish people were more prevalent in America during the comics Golden Age than they are now.


Cranyx

This is not the reason, lmao. Male writers/artists fetishized red heads, so they showed up a ton in comics disproportionately to their actual existence.


dukefett

Did the fetishize Jimmy Olsen? Howdy Doody? Ralph Malph? I don’t know, it kind of felt like an often used male character. If anything Lucille Ball may have sparked the fetishization.


Drkarcher22

>Did the fetishize Jimmy Olsen? I mean, who didn’t fetishize Jimmy? Am I right, or am I right, fellas?!


Cranyx

Are you trying to argue that male red heads were just as prevalent in comics as women? Because that's definitely not true. I wasn't talking about the existence of red heads at all, just how often they showed up; it definitely didn't have anything to do with there being more Irish people. That's ridiculous.


poloppoyop

Because ginger is an anagram of Voldemort.


OneGoodRib

Because red hair is really rare?


Threwaway42

So green skin but plenty of movies can have that


hard-time-on-planet

Interesting fact from [this article](https://slate.com/culture/2018/08/female-superheroes-wearing-bad-red-wigs-why-must-comic-book-movies-do-this.html) > To understand the origins of this trend, we must harken back to a time before our current DC and Marvel cinematic universes. Perhaps the first red wig in a comic book adaptation was the one Yvonne Craig wore to play Barbara Gordon/Batgirl on ABC’s Batman television series in the 1960s. But while that character traditionally has red hair, the show came up with a self-referential twist: When Craig appeared as Gordon, she appeared with her natural brown hair, but when she appeared in her Batgirl costume, the wig came as part of her eye-mask disguise


Sentry459

Reminds me of CW Batwoman.


CycloneSwift

Or the comic version of Batwoman, who does the exact same thing.


Sentry459

Oh interesting, I thought comic Kate was a redhead for some reason.


CycloneSwift

She is, she just keeps her hair short and uses a longer, darker red wig for her costume.


Ramp_Spaghetti

Or '98 Kane.


Quolli

The wig is part of the costume in the comics too! In *Batwoman Elegy* there's a fight where a thug pulls at her hair and it comes right off.


AgentOfSPYRAL

Are there other set photos? I can't really tell if she's brunette or red in this picture.


azriel777

Looks Brunette to me. :(


krissyjump

I feel attacked. Edit: it looks like her hair could be a dark auburn color but I'm not really sure, either way I feel attacked.


DarkAvenger27

Someone at DC took the ginger kids/day-walker South Park episode a little too seriously.


Pakproper

Who cares


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TheHadMatter15

I mean, does it really matter? I know Hollywood's a about inclusivity and shit at this point, but is hair color really that important?


NerfRaven

It’s just kind of weird to consistently see red heads become not red heads in dc media. One of the main ways people tell comic book characters apart is their hair color. Every artist draws a character differently, so specific features that everyone agrees to draw the same are important.


QueasyStress0

Dude, if an artist comes to you and tells you characters need to be drawn with different hair colours so people can tell them apart, be certain, he is a VERY bad artist.


NerfRaven

You’ve misinterpreted what I said. I didn’t say that one artist needs to change the hair color of a character to differentiate it from another in his own, I said that comics choose specific, unique details for characters to keep across every artist. These include hair color, a unique clothing, sometimes even skin color (I don’t necessarily mean race, I mean more how [bat woman has extremely pasty skin](https://i.imgur.com/JbzoORR.jpg)). For example let’s look at black canary. Here are two different artists takes on her: [example 1](https://i.imgur.com/sbjiQWf.jpg) [example 2](https://i.imgur.com/RhEGzpa.jpg) These two women look completely different by their face structure, body structure, etc. because it’s a different artist drawing her. The way you can tell which character is black canary is because she has blonde hair and fish net stockings. Other things can change, but those two things are enough for a reader to recognize who that character is without it telling them. This is why it is strange when the movie department tells us [this is black canary](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/b/b6/Dinah_Laurel_Lance_DC_Extended_Universe_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200208100341). If you had not told me that that was black canary, I would’ve never been able to figure that out. She has 0 of the specific unique qualities that comics have decided that character should have across all iterations.


Pakproper

It isn't. It's hair color.


CptNonsense

She not redheaded or black so how do we know she's Barbara Gordon


thatoneguy889

EW reports official information. They don't do speculation/fan-theory articles the way We Got This Covered or Comicbook.com do. If EW is saying that's Barbara Gordon, it's because the studio said that's Barbara Gordon.


superboy7787

Yeah, when a place like EW, Variety, THR or Deadline report this stuff they're getting it directly off of the PR releases from the studio.


CptNonsense

/that'sthejoke


HankVenturestein

Why couldn't they stay out west? Why does everything have to be Batman? Take some risks.


AgentOfSPYRAL

Yeah the bits of this show that seemed to set up the team actually being the titans out west is what gave me some small sliver of hope for this show. That being said, I will watch a little bit just for my man pete campbell as Scarecrow.


HankVenturestein

I watched for Esai Morales but stayed for Alan Ritchson. That guy has a future, imo.


waytoolate4me

He’s going to be the lead in the new Jack Reacher series, hopefully it’ll give him better material than this dreck.


rammo123

He's a terrible fit for Jack Reacher. Reacher is clearly a lean 5'5" dude /s


[deleted]

Ritchson kickstarted his career by flirting with Paula Abdul on American Idol and look at him now.


madoublet87

Glad someone's original memory of him is still as being the hot/buff guy who auditioned for American Idol.


AgentOfSPYRAL

Its funny, I hate Hawk but can't deny the actor is really good.


marcdasharc4

Dude was no better an actor than his CW-caliber peers when he made a few appearances on Smallville as Aquaman, so seeing him back in the DC sandbox in Titans and acquitting himself well was a pleasant surprise.


NurseDingus

Thad Castle is my favorite character of his


anthonyg1500

Batman’s my favorite character and I hate that he’s in everything. Batman in Joker, in Justice League Dark, oh and 2-3 Batmans for The Flash. Gimme a The Question movie or a Booster Gold movie or even a solo Superman sequel. Thank god marvel didn’t have Spider-Man at the time and they actually had to pay attention to their other characters.


Stark52

At least we’re getting a black Superman...


anthonyg1500

I have no specific desire to see a black Superman movie nor do I think it’s necessarily a bad idea. There’s precedent in the comics, I’ll watch it, I hope it’s good. I’m just already exhausted by the inevitable online discourse. I might log off of Reddit and Twitter from when the trailer drops to when it’s out of theaters


Stark52

Totally understand that. My only issue is that it would’ve made much more sense to throw that money at a potential static shock or John Stewart movie if they really needed to appease certain audience members while also staying on course to building an actual DC universe.


anthonyg1500

Yeah that makes sense. Kind of like how I feel like they promoted Cyborg to a JL member a little while back, I suspect so there was more diversity but they could've just used John Stewart. He's already JL Green Lantern for a generation of kids. But it seems they are making a Static Shock movie (fucking finally) and I guess there are plans for John since I think Snyder wanted to use him for Justice League but WB said no because he'll be in something else someday? They make weird decisions over there. I just hope all the movies they come out with are good and they start trusting their characters to stand on their own. I'm excited for Blue Beetle and Static and it'd be a shame if they don't keep Cavil around for a little longer because he has potential to be a great Superman if they don't make him so stoic all the time


mutesa1

I'm a huge Flash fan and actually dislike Batman, so hearing the news about the upcoming Flash movie did not make me happy, to say the least haha


anthonyg1500

lol as much as I love Batman, Flash is a good character. I just want a movie about the Flash. But it seems WB is hanging their hopes on the concept of multiple Batmen and idk how much room there will be for Flash anymore


DyslexicsAnymonous

AT&T literally doesn’t care about their DC properties unless it’s Batman. My friend is in the writers room for this show (another for Doom Patrol). AT&T is overhauling DC to be more Batman focused.


cronedog

AT&T doesn't own DC anymore. although anything coming out in the next 6-12 months will probably be heavily influenced by past decisions.


DyslexicsAnymonous

All my searches still point to them as being owners, although it’s a subsidiary. Am I missing something? I’m genuinely asking, the only way I can see them out is if the merge with Discovery somehow made them drop it. But again, I can’t find anything.


cronedog

I'm just wrong. Missremembered the headlines. Goes though in another year ​ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/att-to-spin-off-warnermedia-will-try-to-act-like-a-telecom-company-again/


madoublet87

It’s in the process of being transferred but yea it’ll probably take until next year to go through.


DyslexicsAnymonous

“If it does,” I’m only saying this because they had the opportunity to leave the creation to the creatives and greed is their strong suit.


mlorusso4

If anything, the merger will cause executives to meddle even more than usual. When these multi billion dollar deals happen, corporate gets super paranoid about anything that could possibly affect the deal or their leverage in negotiations. Just look at the Disney and James Gunn fiasco. The only reason Disney reacted the way that they did was because it was in the final stages of their deal with fox. If that hit job came out a year earlier or later, Disney may have at most made him apologize again


DyslexicsAnymonous

That what I was saying, they’ve never really left creative alone with the creatives, it’s always studio meddling, always execs with the big ideas. In reality it’s never creative control


DyslexicsAnymonous

Hopefully this happens, thank you for the clarification!


StrangeWriter

Didn’t “Titans” get started with the edgy line “Fuck Batman” in the first trailer. Or was that another DC show?


thatoneguy889

The bad editing in that trailer made that line sound way more "edgy" than it actually was in the context of the scene it was said in.


Shitpost4lyfes

S1 was still pretty darn edgy, mind.


DyslexicsAnymonous

That was, but you see it’s still about Batman. AT&T are ruining DC, the comics and shows.


TriscuitCracker

Absolutely this. Can we focus on the NON-Bat related Titans please?


ArchDucky

Because they dropped the ball on Jason Todd last year so now they have to make up some contribed reason for him to be Red Hood. Considering Scarecrow is in the show, I would assume now that Jason doesn't even die or almost die its probally some doofy ass overdose of Fear Toxin. Why didn't they just let Deathstroke drop him off the building? It was perfect. Fucking hell I hate the people in charge of the story on this show.


figbuilding

Judging by the complete absence of comments on season 2 in this subreddit compared to season 1, I take it this show dropped the ball.


madoublet87

It’s enjoyable but I wouldn’t say it’s good. The performances and action are generally good and there are standout episodes but the overall poor writing is it’s weakest point. Its move to HBO and retaining its Netflix distribution overseas may help it out this year though. Red Hood is insanely popular too, so I imagine it may actually get more popular this season?


frezz

The show feels like it's always building up to something that never comes


Xian244

100%. Titans is always so close to being genuinely good and then it just never gets there. Which is somehow worse then just being a bad show.


01111000marksthespot

Season 1 was interesting at first but became very stupid. Season 2 was fine but at some point I just never got around to watching the next episode and I probably never will lol The show isn't very good. It's not bad. The CW shows are bad. Titans is fine. But there isn't quite enough there to draw you in. The writing isn't that deep, the characters aren't that developed, visually it's ok but not amazing, nothing about it stands out (except Anna Diop). If you want to watch live action superheroes have melodrama and navigate trauma and do fight scenes, there are about 17 shows airing right now that do that, and Titans is one of them.


KaiBishop

The CW shows are *usually bad* but it says something when Riverdale, one of their worst, most chaotic, messy shows, manages to be fun and capture my attention still. Like out that in perspective: I am someone who enjoyed watching Riverdale of all things, and I thought s1 of Titans was so dumb and boring I couldn't finish it. And contrast titans with an actual decent CW show like The 100? No competition. Honestly Titans seemed like it *wanted* to be a CW show but couldn't pull off the vibe. The CW's superhero shows seem to be their worst productions though, lol.


HazelCheese

My thoughts exactly. I still watch CW superhero shows even though I can see they have lower production quality. Titans feels like a high production quality home video sometimes. Like they have a ton of money but then just such a non story of a show.


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It's the definition of whelming.


Dberka210

I watched through midway season 2 and it suffers with the same problem as the recent DC movies: a million different ideas and absolutely no patience to build them into anything. Also, the wide range of ages of the main cast makes the whole show tonally uncomfortable.


Ezzme

Season 2 kinda got lost in the weeds, they did a lot of setting up for villains/storylines only to have them resolved in extremely underwhelming ways and then have a seemingly surprise death of a main cast member (the most interesting of that season imo and one of the better actors) just cause. It was tv blue balls, where every storyline had build up to be something grander than it actually ended up being. Hopefully they focus more on one storyline this season (which it looks to be the Killing Joke of sorts) and actually follow through.


Ylyb09

Yeah I tried to like it a lot, somehow enjoyed it still but cant say I recommend the show


HankVenturestein

Season 2 was much better because it told one story instead of having a season pieced together from different treatments for individual characters like season 1 was.


thatoneguy889

Being a DC Universe exclusive when it aired didn't help. People may have subscribed for the first season out of curiosity and thought season 2 alone wasn't worth subscribing again. I imagine it will do better when new episodes air on HBO Max which dwarfs DCUs subscriber numbers.


mininestime

Yea, they decided season 1 was too dark and wanted it to be more CW like the Flash. The show jumped the shark when they introduced superboy. Was corny and bad cgi that was laughable. Since then the show just has been too much angst with nothing happening. Season 1 was great though.


poloppoyop

> I take it this show dropped the ball ~~Monster~~ superhero of the week gets old fast.


mugiboya

Barbs! I hope this season is much better 🙏


go_out_stay_home

Thought that was PhilipSoloTV in the thumbnail for a second


Sonar114

There was a season 2?