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162 new locally transmitted COVID-19 cases in Singapore, 87 linked to Jurong Fishery Port

162 new locally transmitted COVID-19 cases in Singapore, 87 linked to Jurong Fishery Port

Iamrandom17

52 unlinked wow Hoping it’s because there is huge backlog of cases for the contact tracers to link


pigsticker82

that's the problem.. once the backlog starts accumulating, it will be very hard to resolve unless they drop much more resources into it.


YL0000

The daily update shows that the unlinked cases from the days before are reduced, from 26 down to 10 for the day before yesterday. I think many of the cases will be linked eventually. Besides, I observe that 19-39 age group occupies about half of the cases. Is this age group primarily associated with the KTV cluster? Almost 1/3 of the confirmed cases in this age group are unvaccinated and about 1/2 are partially vaccinated. For those who are partially vaccinated, I think they should be more cautious...


Iamrandom17

Yes it seems to be more people in that age group. Could be because the other age groups are already fully vaccinated so they had a lower chance of catching it


YL0000

My point is that those who are partially vaccinated should be cautious (since they clearly want to be vaccinated so that they are protected) and it is in their own interest that they restrict their movements more until they are fully vaccinated.


LostMagnet

52 unlinked ho ho ho


FitCranberry

how is unlinked captured? random testing and people reporting sick?


Klubeht

Based on the cases last time is almost always people reporting sick, which also means they are symptomatic. Or those who are picked up as part of routine rostered testing


NotSiaoOn

Perhaps from the waste water test of HDB blocks and subsequent mandatory testing. Could catch the asymptomatic cases that way too. Not that I know any better.


tenbre

It's not very clear though. I felt that in the past even cases picked up from mass testing might be shown as unlinked until the source is reliably ascertained to be a certain case or cluster.


fateoftheg0dz

Probably a portion of this is cos the team is overwhelmed and hasnt had time to link them. But its still a very large number


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Calikura

So you'd rather they not report the unlinked cases as part of the day's case count, until after they are linked? Fake news? What kinda logic is that. Unlinked can also mean "haven't found a link" what. New information surfaces all the time.


fateoftheg0dz

Calm down lmao. The contact tracing team is working real hard atm. It has always been the case where the moh report says “52/xxx are currently unlinked” (which is not fake news since currently unlinked can be linked in future). They will release another report linking the numbers next couple days


Inner-Patience

You know.... Sometimes diam diam people won't know you stupid


Widurri

usually the number of unlinked goes down in the night update as the links between the cases are not obvious and need to sit down and analyse/ investigate


futurepolydropout

but moh still need to answer to the public


Initial_E

The rumor engine will melt down if we don’t get our daily updates


Onotomatopie

Stupid millennial comment


tindifferent

By that logic all covid cases are linked


trashmaker

Basically uncontrolled community spread now.


LostTheGame42

Not surprised considering our highly vaccinated population. It's basically impossible to trace infections when the vast majority are asymptomatic and wouldn't even need to go to the doctor, let alone become hospitalized. It's likely that the symptomatic cases will have gone through multiple generations of silent asymptomatic transmission, and each link along the way is going about their daily life completely unaffected and unaware.


trashmaker

Yep, so basically the situation is quite dire for those who aren't vaccinated.


LostTheGame42

That's why the minority of unvaccinated seniors are holding our country hostage today, and it's imperative that they get themselves protected as we progress out of the crisis. I hope that the government will send a strong warning to these people soon. In the coming months, the only pandemic of the Delta variant will be among the unvaccinated.


The-Last-Raven

Agreed. I personally want to stay at home and do HBL since by father cannot get the vaccine due to his medical history (history of myocarditis), but we still have to go face to face for lessons. Especially with the onset of asymptomatic transmission amongst fully-vaccinated individuals, I fear that my father will be infected without any of us knowing.


mrwagga

That is probably going to be the case. Your family has to be extra careful. There is no other way.


mrwagga

We will open up eventually. And these people will suffer the consequences as they should. Too bad 🤷🏻‍♂️


mrwagga

Probably. Which makes the reticence of the anti-vaxxers more confounding. Good luck to them!


EarthwormJane

Yah. I'm pretty miffed about being labelled as selfish for not wanting to protect seniors but they are the selfish ones who don't want to get vaxxed to protect the young kids.


mrwagga

I think we are actually beyond that. It’s no longer about herd immunity because that is now impossible with the delta variant. It’s about protecting yourself. Which is why good luck to them. My parents are both vaxxed. One a multiple stroke survivor. The other a multiple cancer patient. Both are eligible. People who still aren’t getting themselves vaxxed have only themselves to blame if they die from covid. 🤷🏻‍♂️


EarthwormJane

I got the shots way back in January to encourage the people around me to get it too. It actually worked because many of them who were afraid at the beginning listened to my experience and went for it. Almost my entire family is vaxxed, maybe left a couple who are just waiting for their second dose. All of us have some medical issue. Some chronic illnesses, one with multiple strokes as well and some have/had cancer, my mum has her own issues with weight and we're both asthmatic. My dad, fiance, and future MIL have severe allergies to various meds, someone who had spontaneous breakout of hives have taken it. My friend even has a congenital heart defect. All of us stepped up to take it and we are all happy to contribute to improving our situation here. So excuse me if I don't feel sorry for the people who can take it but refuse to because of stupid selfish reasons.


DatzQuickMaths

Interesting. So what kind of underlying conditions do you need to have for a doctor to tell you you’re ineligible for a vaccine?


EarthwormJane

Tbh, I'm not even sure at this point. Maybe those who are actively going through chemo or severely immunocompromised.


mrwagga

Seems if you have previous reactions to other vaccines. But even then you can be vaccinated under observation at a hospital location.


DatzQuickMaths

So, in theory, the % of people who can’t get the vaccine for legitimate medical reasons is likely very very low? I don’t know anyone who has been told by a doc not to get a vaccine - multiple heart attack survivors, high blood pressure, diabetes etc etc


mrwagga

That’s my assumption. I have a friend who claims a food allergy prevents him from getting the vaccine. It’s really just an excuse. I told him to check with a GP.


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mrwagga

A higher chance perhaps. But once we lift restrictions, covid will propagate regardless, thru vaccinated and unvaccinated populations alike. It’s just a matter of degree and speed. Arguably if they fall ill quickly without the vaccine, their ability to spread is actually curtailed. Down side is they might die lah. Oops.


atomic_rabbit

Singapore's population is so tiny, and the number of covid cases worldwide is so huge, that there's no point worrying about that. There's nothing Singapore can or can't do to significantly influence the chances of the next big variant emerging.


accessdenied65

Well not surprising right? Already mentioned at the start of this wave, there will be a high number of unlinked cases inbound. Coupled with KTV hostesses and patrons that went into hiding and the high number of cases from the fishery, that will make the unlinked cases stack up even more. https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/ok0iwa/41\_new\_covid19\_cases\_linked\_to\_ktv\_cluster/h55cjqj?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


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brownriver12

Which part is dropping? Think 52 unlinked is an all time high


Onotomatopie

There’s no experiential growth


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Hopefully most of the 52 are people who dare not say they are from KTV cluster but are at least coming out to get tested… not that they deserve the chance to hide but better than spreading it silently ig


LostTheGame42

This is not likely considering the endemic nature of the virus worldwide. The vast majority of our population is partially vaccinated at least, and more than half will be fully protected by today. It's well documented that vaccinated patients would almost certainly be asymptomatic, and we know that a vaccinated carrier has a reduced, but nonzero chance of spreading the disease. What's likely happening today is that a very large proportion of our infections are asymptomatic and the carriers are completely unaffected and unaware of the virus. When the chain eventually reaches an unvaccinated person who goes to the doctor, the transmission may have gone through several generations of silent transmission. By the time the contact tracers try to link the case back, the carrier could have recovered naturally already, completely unaffected by the infection. This is a good thing. It means that even if the virus is spreading within our population, almost every case won't even need a doctor visit, let alone a hospital or ICU bed. Through rapid vaccination, we have tamed the virus to a threat comparable to the seasonal flu among the majority who protected themselves. The only caveat is that our unvaccinated seniors are still at risk of this endemic disease. It's imperative they get vaccinated now or they will possibly die during our reopening process.


wiltedpop

I think so too. I suspect they delayed a bit then now pretend they got it from somewhere else than KTV.


ToastedKoppi

Siri: "Show me wishful thinking"


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Hey not much else to be optimistic about in Singapore nowadays :(


ToastedKoppi

🤷🏾 in these rough Situations is better to assume a very bad scenario and "deal with it" before it happens. At that time, when the event actually happens, you'll be less stressed


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Then I guess I just operate differently from u. Silver linings help me out mentally 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️


ToastedKoppi

It's alright, whatever gets you going through these times!


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I mean not like all of them will/can rush out on Monday to get tested so it’s still ok for now. Plus the ICU/hospitalisation numbers are still ok, so I’m personally not that concerned yet


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EarthwormJane

Can you send me the source for this? I read the press release from last night but it still says 52 unlinked.


FireArcanine

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/updates-on-local-covid-19-situation-(21-july-2021) First paragraph.


EarthwormJane

Oh this is from the day before (21st). I think you have it mixed up.


FireArcanine

Oh no, yeah I got the date wrong. Still 52. Will retract my comments. Apologies for the misinformation.


Lyinv

\>Six cases were people above the age of 70 who were unvaccinated and at risk of serious illness, said MOH. Is it me, or are vaccinated elderly getting more infections? Not surprised though, my house coffeeshop always have one whole group of them sitting and drinking without any SDA presence.


DevotedAnalSniffer

Can you blame them when they are likely retired but the government is flip flopping on lockdowns every damn month.


saintlyknighted

Something to consider: as our vaccination level increases, a higher percentage of infected will be asymptomatic. While this is good for those vaccinated, in terms of containment it’ll make the virus harder to track because it’s hard to tell who has it if we don’t test, especially if it goes through 5 generations of asymptomatic carriers for example. We can also expect to have higher unlinked numbers because of this.


AussieBird82

I'd like to see the numbers on how many of these positive cases are asymptomatic and only found through testing of contacts (if these numbers are published please point me in the right direction). Because we still only have 7 people needing oxygen in hospital. I think if they tested the whole community you'd have numbers in the high thousands easily. It's just out there now. It's not the number of positive cases that is important, it's the number actually sick and needing to be hospitalised. At least if we are going to treat it as endemic.


TheDoorDoesntWork

I'm just relieved we haven't hit the big 2


AssortedCrystal114

Yea...


ham_rain

> Yet... FTFY Disclaimer: Focus on severe cases, please. Bigger numbers are mostly for grabbing eyeballs in headlines.


DatzQuickMaths

Isn’t this what the government said they were gonna do??? They’re still focusing on total cases…..


ham_rain

Mostly. I kind of see the logic that higher case numbers will translate to higher severe outcomes, though obviously not in a 1:1 manner. I disagree on what the risk perception is and whether locking down is the best or only way to stymie the spread. They've started calling out not fully vaxxed 70+ in the afternoon updates, sharing more detailed data about severe cases by age and vax status in the nightly updates. None of that grabs eyeballs like triple-digit numbers though.


EarthwormJane

Headlines should read something like SIX UNVACCINATED SENIORS ABOVE 70 AT RISK FOR SERIOUS ILLNESS among x cases today. Like seriously ST, don't be shy. Don't hide this information in the article that no one reads.


scythentic

It took more than 1 month from May to June to suppress a peak of 40 cases. If Singapore has the exact same target of single-digit cases like our previous lockdown, we are not getting out of this on August 18th, guaranteed. Vaccines have shown to be tremendous in stopping serious illness but not transmission. I hope the government can come out and say how many cases they want in order for this lockdown to end. It will be wishful thinking to have <50 by next month.


Book3pper

The focus should be on icu numbers. By august, we can see if the rise of cases leads to huge increase of icu patients or a small increase. If small, it tells us that many cases are mild and that vaccines are the way to tackle the virus, not lockdowns. Hospitalization numbers dont tell a good story too because depending on demographic, they are hospitalized as a preemptive measure rather than due to serious symptoms.


fitzerspaniel

I do believe this month of lockdown is to preserve healthcare resources and buy time to jab those 200k seniors, not for zero covid. Besides we’ve alr shot past the case threshold for zero covid lockdowns, so there’s no turning back now


Chazzwazza15

Only 59 of 162 in quarantine before detection.


NeighborhoodOk9488

At least the Indian bashing of covid cases and CECA is taking a breather !


SeaCranberry7720

Dont worry, eventually people will remember how the delta variant got into sg


gunman47

Breakdown for those lazy to click: 110 linked (5 linked to KTV cluster, 87 linked to Jurong Fishery Port cluster) 52 unlinked 8 imported Double digit unlinked cases for a fifth day now and increased a fair bit today.


tictactorz

feels like we should have brought back the detailed reporting of cases when we first saw the KTV cluster pop up...


bukitbukit

Yes!


MadLockeX

More like the 52 don't want to be linked to the Jurong Fishery, and ultimately to the KTV.. 😇


puncel

Numbers for linked (under quarantine), link (detected through surveillance) and unlinked are comparable - 59, 51, 52. That's a lot of unlinked, I hope it's just backlog (tracers overwhelmed) and more will get linked in the coming days. More cases of above 70 not vaccinated. I hope this detail gets them off their asses to get vaccinated, but I think at this point those people are really hard to reach and aren't getting all the PSAs by the govt / everyone else.


Panadolis

52 unlinked gg


bangsphoto

>The remaining 52 infections were not linked to previous cases, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its preliminary daily update. Wa that is a pretty big jump


swiwwtw

Wow so many unlinked is worrying..


kanemf

Anyone wan to do side bet that after ndp they will release lockdown and sing the endemic tune? 😂


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At what point are we expecting to see any sort of exponential jump in cases? Bear in mind incubation period of generally between 2-10 days, so lockdown won’t impact for a while yet. Or is it the case that the relatively draconian measures we were all already adhering to would have been more than sufficient to control this (as data from other countries with looser restrictions would suggest). ...and if that’s the case will the Govt sensible enough to end the lockdown? Answer to that is obviously no, because we’re pursuing zero Covid.


Aerizon

Lol, which countries? I see delta running crazy all over the place


msabuwala

I don't think SG is pursuing zero covid. The issue is that Infection fatality rate(IFR) hovers around 5% for >70s and close to 10% for >80s. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2918-0 I don't think the government wants to see a huge spike of 8-10K deaths in a space of couple of months, when the baseline is around 2K in a month. https://www.singstat.gov.sg/find-data/search-by-theme/population/death-and-life-expectancy/latest-data Unlike UK/US/EU where large chunks of the vulnerable are already dead, Singapore has seen literally no deaths. The optics of huge spike in deaths is simply not acceptable for any government. OYK was saying that in a roundabout way in the Press Conference.


DevotedAnalSniffer

large chunk of the vulnerable already dead..... lol. what a ridiculous comment


ceddya

The government is still allowing the community to interact with each other, albeit in smaller groups. Clearly zero covid isn't the goal here. Rather, it's to prevent out current 100+ cases from snowballing to much higher, something we're seeing in countries like the US and UK with Delta. Then again, if we do hit our vaccination targets and don't lift the restrictions, I'll gladly apologize and acknowledge your prescience.


tabbynat

Gambling with lives when you’re 50 unlinked in the hole is the solution?


ToastedKoppi

Gov is chasing a mirage :) I think it's all about face and other stupid stuff


LIDOhman

Given that we're already having ministers talking about it being "endemic" i doubt zero covid is the goal. I reckon more to make sure we dont risk things getting out of hand just as good progress is being made on the vaccination end. We're just unfortunate we live in a country with such a high population density and the go to solution to minimise contact transmission is to reduce said contact


DevotedAnalSniffer

so why do they enact lockdowns like a zero covid approach? SG has 162 cases, if extrapolated, that would be like the UK having ~5000. we could be celebrating with that amount. SG has the most bizarre approach in the world right now. australia is semi justifiable because they have vaccinated less than 10% of their population. SG is rapidly approaching 65%.


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Completely agree, and not sure how anyone could disagree with that. Singapore is literally the only country behaving like this. Saying endemic but locking down because arbitrary targets haven’t been met. In my view it’s a combo of huge political instability underneath PM Lee, health experts being given too much say over policy, and not enough attention being given to international data. Combine that with too many ppl reading the BS in state media and this is what you get.


ToastedKoppi

52 unlinked, 3-digit unlinked cases train incoming Choooo chooooo!!!


CasanovaGooner

This is great! Numbers going down! Well done taskforce! Soon we can reopen and import again!


tenbre

So daily initial numbers are going to be reported only at 5pm now? oh dear.


FireArcanine

Is there a concern about the timing report? It's just pushed back by 2 hours then the usual. It's also to probably give more time. There was also no rule or announcement saying that numbers must be out by 4pm like last time. It's the small things like these that the authorities want people to stop paying too much attention to, and I think we should not be entirely too concerned as well.


Iamrandom17

It was earlier back then because lesser cases so lesser linking to do and stuff. Now it’s wayyy higher so it will definitely take more time


aphypcru

[TIL: On average, every hour of delay in the daily COVID stats beyond 4 PM means 38 more cases](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/one521/til_on_average_every_hour_of_delay_in_the_daily/)


92347220

Why can't the government give out free Covid19 test kits for all housewholes regularly and get to the root of the issue. I'm I right?


DevotedAnalSniffer

yes the government can just shit out 5.8 million covid tests for everyone to take simultaneously


CasanovaGooner

52 unlinked! Song boh sinkies?


bitregister

No worries everyone, we are masking, distancing, and tracing together. We happy family and we got this!


miserablebuibui

WLWLSMDWL.


black_knightfc21

the number itself is very scary tbh


nyorm

What i am particularly afraid is that there is possibly a large group of underground spreaders linked to the KTV. Not only are these individuals not traced, but they are also actively avoiding all tracing efforts. If so, a growing number of unlinked cases seems to be inevitable…


vanguy79

Man. It’s still triple digits and it may take a while for the peak to come.


tenbre

IMO it is not ideal of MOH to keep posting these initial numbers early in the day, and then clarifying it later on. The initial numbers are released so late that it kinda defeats the purpose, and it tends to bias the public perception. The large number of initially unlinked makes it look real bad, and perhaps it is bad (which is good in triggering people to get vaccinated), but perhaps it's not necessarily that bad. If you look deeper into their daily charts and sitrep, there is info on the number of days from onset to detection, and iirc that hasn't gone up that much. Sure, daily case count is high, but note also many many relevant numbers like % that are already quarantined, days to detection, hospitalization numbers (this is rising, not ICU or Oxygen count), number of Quarantine Orders issued per day (indicates how widespread the ring is, low QO = narrow case clusters), number of active Quarantines (indicates how full our capacity is), etc. If any of these numbers go out of whack, it's concerning. Look at the 2900 QOs issued, wow. To the gym-goers fretting about gym 'closures', imagine the thousands of people under quarantine right now while you are free to go about most of your daily life. Every policy decision has a massive impact on the follow up medical services and entire covid management chain. The daily case count is just the tip of the iceberg.


brownriver12

59:103 I'm more alarmed that only 59 were in quarantine before being found positive. This "ringfence" seems holey Sure they managed to somewhat linked 52 cases. But these 52 cases were out and about 18 hours ago.


durianboy19

Well tbh it cud be true for quarantine cases only !!! Usually they are issued QO and tested on day 1 and they were out and about till they were issued QO.. and data doesn't tell us when did the person tested positive - day 1 of quarantine or day 7 or day 14... Assuming someone tested positive on day 1 - for that case there is no difference being in QO or linked


sneakpeek_bot

> # 162 new locally transmitted COVID-19 cases in Singapore, 87 linked to Jurong Fishery Port > SINGAPORE: Singapore reported 162 new locally transmitted COVID-19 infections as of noon on Thursday (Jul 22), including 87 cases linked to the Jurong Fishery Port cluster and five to the cluster in KTV lounges. > A total of 110 infections were linked to previous cases, with 59 already placed on quarantine and 51 detected through surveillance testing. > Advertisement > Advertisement > The remaining 52 infections were not linked to previous cases, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its preliminary daily update. > Six cases were people above the age of 70 who were unvaccinated and at risk of serious illness, said MOH. > In total, Singapore reported 170 new COVID-19 cases on Thursday. > The ministry said it would provide further updates on the COVID-19 situation in Singapore on Thursday night. > > Advertisement > Advertisement > > > > > > Health Minister Ong Ye Kung on Wednesday said Singapore's return to Phase 2 (Heightened Alert) measures was due to the growing cluster at Jurong Fishery Port, and not the KTV cluster. > Advertisement > In a Facebook post, he said he had received queries on why there was a need to tighten measures "when we plan to live with COVID-19". > As fishmongers and stall assistants who got infected at the port went to work at various markets around the island, this seeded many more cases in the community, he said. > Mr Ong added that markets are frequented by the elderly, many of whom have not been vaccinated against COVID-19. > "We are at risk of an uncontrollable rise in cases, which could potentially result in many severe illnesses or even deaths," he said. "So we need to preemptively tighten up social activities." > Singapore returned to Phase 2 (Heightened Alert) restrictions on Thursday, with dining-in at F&B outlets suspended and social gatherings limited to two people. The restrictions will last until Aug 18. > As of Thursday, Singapore has reported a total of 63,791 COVID-19 cases. > > Download our app or subscribe to our Telegram channel for the latest updates on the coronavirus outbreak: https://cna.asia/telegram --- 1.0.2 | [Source code](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek) | [Contribute](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek)


CheeCheongFann

This is very worrying... if the numbers don’t go down for the next two week.. circuit breaker 2.0 is on the horizon.


Eclipse-Mint

Good! Keep dropping please, linked & unlinked alike.