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'Even if you get sick, it'll be less serious': Vaccinated woman who got COVID-19 urges more to get their jabs

'Even if you get sick, it'll be less serious': Vaccinated woman who got COVID-19 urges more to get their jabs

ham_rain

> She was gripped by fear when she was admitted to the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) that evening. > “I was very scared, I didn’t know what to do, what happened to me and what (the hospital) would do with me once I was in there,” said May, who has several chronic diseases. > However, her fears were soon allayed as she did not experience any symptoms, even during her hospital stay. This is important to highlight. OYK mentioned this in one of the press conferences but I haven't seen it discussed widely - a lot of our hospitalizations are pre-emptive. If you have comorbidities or are perceived to be at higher risk of severe outcomes from Covid, you will be hospitalized so that *in case* something happens, you can be treated quickly and effectively. This is not the case in several other countries where hospitalization == severe symptoms.


Zukiff

I've been told the only reason for our low death rate is because the vast majority of our infection happened with young and healthy FWs and have nothing to do with our incompetent govt /s


ordinarypepperoni

Told by who? Aunties in your family group chat?


emzay1

There’s an article on this, published last year https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-singapore-explainer-idUSKBN2680TF


DevotedAnalSniffer

Why are they doing that though? I left Singapore but now where I'm living if you get covid you isolate at home, that's it. If it gets bad then you go to hospital. Sounds like a bit of a waste of resources?


ham_rain

It's more effective if you have dedicated Covid beds like at NCID to use the extra capacity for marginal gains I guess, plus might have benefits in keeping systems running routinely and avoid ramp up/down issues. The way I see it is that this is good news because it means that there is another amount of slack in the system that can be called on if people actually need hospitalization - you can ask the asymptomatic ones to isolate at home unless it becomes anything worse, and use the released capacity for people who need it immediately.


CrunchyleaveOO

They need to start having more of these articles if they want to prepare the population to move from pandemic to endemic. My colleague in her late 40’s is still not keen on getting her shot because “You can still get covid even when vaccinated, so what’s the point” Instead of just reporting case numbers, they should also break down the number of vaccinated positive cases with symptoms/in hospital/require oxygen against the non vaccinated cases. As vaccination rates rise, the population shouldn’t be going into panic mode just on case numbers alone.


ham_rain

> "You can still get covid even when vaccinated, so what’s the point” You can still die when wearing a seatbelt, so what's the point? You can still have drug trafficking despite strict laws, so what's the point? You can still be in your late 40s and working despite lacking half a brain, so what's the point?


exotramp76

>My colleague in her late 40’s is still not keen on getting her shot because “You can still get covid even when vaccinated, so what’s the point” Did you tell her that it reduces the chances of catching the virus? Also as far as side effects are concerned, there are records of vaccinated people catching covid and only having minor symptoms. A friend of mine in Jakarta recently recovered from Covid but he was fully vaccinated so symptoms weren't serious. He said it felt like the flu, some exhaustion, but other than that nothing serious.


createweb

"If you eat you still get hungry, so what's the point?"


thewind21

Don't live since you gonna die anyway


exotramp76

The problem with naysayers like that is they expect 100% protection from the virus. A firm certainty. They've never heard ambulances passing their home everyday or seen medical staff in full PPE wheeling out a potentially sick covid patient from home to ambulance, then proceeded to disinfect the entire lift and lift landing. They've probably never had a family member fall sick from the virus.


WangJianWei2512

Dude isn't that's why you eat many times a day?


CrunchyleaveOO

Yes. But our news articles and restrictions are not helping the situation at all. She looks at me and my other co-workers who are all vaccinated but we have the same restrictions as her. There is totally no incentive for her and her circle of anti-vax to get vaccinated at all. And just reporting cases alone everyday doesn’t help at all. Most of the elderly here still think having covid means you go to hospital followed by death. In the upcoming weeks before “opening”, I really hope they will start reporting the number vaccinated that require ICU/oxygen supply, warded in hospital or even just having mild symptoms to show the unvaccinated the benefits of the vaccines.


thewind21

Incentive? Tell her, about not suffering or not dying. Isnt that incentive big enough? I don't get any incentive by taking my yearly flu jab, not getting sick is good enough.


exotramp76

Got another incentive - not passing Covid to loved ones who might not survive it or even worse, suffer the long term effects of it.


niiiveous

I think it’s quite common to not care if they don’t see it now. Their thinking could be “well I haven’t gotten COVID, nor anyone I know, and we probably won’t. Even if I get vaccinated, I’m just one person and I’ll have restrictions, so what’s the point?” For these people, if it’s not a “now” issue, it’s not an issue. These are the sort of people who, as heartless as it is to say, should be left to die.


Adventurous-Mine9810

They're already doing it on the MOH website


Franzel123

Or look at studies. Just today: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891


wyngit

Nice. Thank you.


Eurito1

[Higher proportion of unvaccinated Covid-19 patients above 50 years old need supplemental oxygen: NCID study](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/opasrd/higher_proportion_of_unvaccinated_covid19)


redwithin

The numbers are released in the daily report every night on the number of patients vs vaccination status. So far 100% of vaccinated individuals are classified as having mild symptoms or are asymptomatic


whatsnewdan

These are the kind of articles that ST should be turning out, not scare numbers on how vaccinated people still get the virus.


Afraidofdownvotes0

It's still important for people to know that they can't just abandon all caution just because they've been vaccinated


whatsnewdan

That is true, but at the same time the press is giving the impression that even if you are vaccinated you can still get the disease. Which in turn are making people think, if still can get, why take the vaccine?


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Are they not supposed to mention that? Kind of a stupid hill to die on. Just mention both sides. Just be honest with the stats. Yes you can still get covid after being jabbed but your chances of dying are x% lower. Its still the person individual choice to then take in that info and decide for themselves. Unless you dont want that?


whatsnewdan

Beats me, but then again when has the government been open with stuff


tuaswestroad

Our press can only copy & paste whatever MOH says in their daily reports. This includes people who are infected despite being fully vaccinated. This can add some fuel to people who are still holding out from getting jabbed, but transparency is probably still the best policy in this situation.


rocifan

Er maybe some reporting of both at the same time cos it's important to understand being vaccinated doesn't mean you won't get it..but likely a lesser hopefully less fatal version?


aliceinshitland

You understand what is transparency?


whatsnewdan

Transparency is to give ALL the information, not some of the information


aliceinshitland

Yes i agree


marcuschookt

We will not be releasing anymore daily numbers. By the way, here are the daily numbers including their names, addresses, ICs, hopes and fears, 5 year career roadmap, and their favorite bedtime snack.


MinisterforFun

“You may not get sick from the vaccine now but you might suffer from side effects years down the road.” - said a certain someone in my household. More quotable quotes available.


xvdrk

As opposed to "You will get sick now and either die or suffer from side effects for the rest of your lives"? People need to be taught the meaning of the word "might".


ham_rain

So they'd rather contract the virus now and avoid the road altogether. Got it. Also "might suffer from side effects years later" is such a weak-ass excuse and not at all how side effects work. One fine day eight years from now, your brain is gonna be like "Pssst... Remember that jab you took in 2021? Boom, aneurysm!"?


fallingstarrs

exactly, that stupid reason is why some people I know don't wanna get vaccinated. but they're not worried about catching covid & the potential long term effects of covid itself without the vaccine, which is potentially even worse?


MinisterforFun

I guess said person’s logic is that through their own efforts, they can avoid both the virus and the side effects of the “experimental” vaccines. Edit: There is some truth to what they’re trying to say. You smoke now, you won’t feel the side effects until years later. If I’m not wrong, cancer can also be entirely painless and without symptoms then suddenly, bam! My cousin died in his 30s in the office toilet without any prior warning or history of disease. He doesn’t smoke and didn’t do drugs. Who knows what caused his aneurysm? Guess it’s hard to attribute to a side effects to a cause but maybe they just want to play it safe.


ham_rain

> they can avoid both the virus and the side effects of the “experimental” vaccines. Hard disagree, unless they are willing to isolate completely from any social contact. > You smoke now, you won’t feel the side effects until years later. Severe side effects, sure. You will see a gradual reduction in things like lung capacity though. > cancer can also be entirely painless and without symptoms then suddenly, bam! Symptoms are not the same as side effects. There's a reason cancer has stages - it develops over time. All of this of course ignores the damn point that the mechanism of the vaccines is completely different from either of these. Sorry if I'm being harsh, but I'm in a lockdown because of these nutjobs. Edit because of your edit: I'm really sorry for your cousin and that's such a sad situation to have to experience. I've had friends who died in their teens out of random, unknown causes too. My point is that there are many things that can cause a severe outcome, but all the evidence that we have - large scale, hypersensitive vaccine rollouts + decades of understanding the mRNA mechanism - means that we can be reasonably confident that there are not going to be long-term side effects.


Boogie_p0p

I hope they move on to the natural immunity phase where they go and contract whatever illness on purpose to "build their immunity"


Prize_Used

nah, they're selfish people that are hoping that other people would take the jab for them so that they can be protected once herd immunity is achieved and at the same time, they don't have to risk getting the possible " side effects" . They're actually very shrewd , but selfish at the same time..let others take the risks for them while they sit back and reap the benefits.


puncel

There was a meme going around on Twitter a few days ago of the dog sitting in the burning house. "But do we know the long-term effects of fire extinguishers??"


Salt_Leopard

People are terrible at risk management. 100% chance to take the vaccine => vanishingly small chance of potential side effects and people get alarmed because of the surety of the first part. Then small chance to get the virus => good chance of symptoms, long covid, minor chance of death And people don't think it's a big deal, because of the minor nature of the first part.


handicapped-toilet

The same can be argued for GMO food, masturbation and participating in this subreddit.


Aspirant2

There may not be any down the road if they die of covid


Prize_Used

do they even know what side effects are they specifically talking about?


Delicious_Tie3008

My colleague, 30s: "I haven't gotten pregnant, I don't know what the vaccine would do to my baby."


sneakpeek_bot

> # 'Even if you get sick, it'll be less serious': Vaccinated woman who got COVID-19 urges more to get their jabs > SINGAPORE: Sometime last month, an elderly woman who only wanted to be known as May discovered that she had contracted the coronavirus. > She was fully vaccinated against COVID-19, having received her second dose three months before she tested positive. > Advertisement > Advertisement > “I was very shocked and kept thinking how come I got the virus?” she told CNA. "When I was working, I felt very fine, I had no symptoms … no cough, no flu, no headache, nothing at all.” > > May, who is in her 70s, works as a cashier at a restaurant in Tiong Bahru. > Her infection was detected after her employer instructed staff members to get tested before reporting for work. At the time, a growing number of cases had been detected in the area, prompting authorities to conduct testing for staff, tenants and visitors. > > After she was swabbed, she went to work, only to be notified hours later that she had tested positive for COVID-19. > Advertisement > Advertisement > She was gripped by fear when she was admitted to the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) that evening. > “I was very scared, I didn’t know what to do, what happened to me and what (the hospital) would do with me once I was in there,” said May, who has several chronic diseases. > However, her fears were soon allayed as she did not experience any symptoms, even during her hospital stay. > “I felt very healthy and fine ... I just had to do swab tests, blood tests, checks for blood pressure and oxygen readings,” she said. > Advertisement > In fact, the only medicine she had to take was for her chronic illness. > A week later, she was discharged from the hospital and taken to a community care facility in Loyang, which is the usual arrangement for those who show mild or no symptoms. > According to the Ministry of Health's website, patients in these facilities are monitored closely in case they need to be transferred to hospital for better management and support. Most of them recover with "minimal" intervention, it stated. > > May’s experience is not uncommon, and official data shows vaccination can help to prevent serious disease. > “For example, they are less likely to develop fever and less likely to have cough and shortness of breath,” said Dr Barnaby Young, a consultant at NCID. > “We have also observed they have significantly lower measures of inflammation on blood tests and are less likely to develop pneumonia.” > As of Wednesday night (Jul 21), out of the 412 local COVID-19 cases reported in the last 28 days who had been fully vaccinated, all had mild or no symptoms. > In the partially vaccinated group, 0.7 per cent of patients who had received one dose of the vaccine required supplemental oxygen. > As for those who had not received any dose of the vaccine, 2.4 per cent of the 253 local cases developed serious illness, need oxygen supplementation or admission into intensive care units. > Local COVID-19 cases in the last 28 days by vaccination status and severity of condition. (Figure: MOH) > Currently, COVID-19 treatment is based on the severity of infection, said Dr Young. Remdesivir and dexamethasone are generally reserved for COVID-19 patients with pneumonia who develop low blood oxygen levels, he added. > Dr Young said NCID is currently studying the outcomes from COVID-19 infection in vaccinated and unvaccinated people, and it will have more data available soon. > > SENIORS URGED TO GET VACCINATED > Amid a spike in infections, Singapore has been making a push for more seniors to get vaccinated as they are most at risk of developing serious illness. > > During a press conference on Tuesday, co-chair of the COVID-19 multi-ministry task force Gan Kim Yong said that out of the 81 seniors aged 60 and above who were infected over the last week, 12 were unvaccinated. > This is of “great concern”, he said, as almost 30 per cent of Singapore’s elderly population, aged above 70, remain unvaccinated. > The Health Ministry previously said that it would intensify outreach to seniors and encourage them to get vaccinated, by deploying mobile vaccination teams to more heartland locations such as community clubs or residents' committee centres. > As of Jun 9, Singapore has vaccinated around 44 per cent of its population with at least one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines. Three in four seniors above 60 have had their jabs or booked an appointment. (File photo: TODAY/Ili Nadhirah Mansor) > As of Jul 20, more than 6.8 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine have been administered in Singapore. > More than 2.7 million people have been fully vaccinated, accounting for around 49 per cent of the population. > As for May, who has returned to work, she is keeping her guard up and helping to spread the word about getting vaccinated. > > “(When my vaccination appointment) was arranged, I straightaway went for it ... because it’s (safer) for me, my family and for others too,” she said. > > “Some think that even if they don’t get (vaccinated), nothing will happen, but then I tell them - you see (I) got COVID,” she said. > > “So I encourage them to get vaccinated because it’s better for them and to prevent their family and others from getting sick, and even if they get sick, it’ll be less serious. > “Last time, I wasn’t so (cautious), so my mask would keep sliding up and down, but after this experience, I know that I need to take care of myself and also take care of other people.” > > Download our app or subscribe to our Telegram channel for the latest updates on the coronavirus outbreak: https://cna.asia/telegram > --- 1.0.2 | [Source code](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek) | [Contribute](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek)


WangJianWei2512

Does the MOH share any figure on how likely are you to get Covid after the vaccination? From the figures in this article, 412 fully vac, 283 partially vacced, and 253 not vacced; it seems like its still quite a significant risk of getting the virus despite the vaccination


flydrive

Well there's the problem with our current definition of 'case' which really should be called 'infection' or even 'exposure' or possibly just 'positive test'. When you're vaccinated from a disease, or immune by previously getting over it you can still be exposed to it again and the the virus will attempt to replicate. That triggers your immune system which prevents it from replicating very far. You many not even get the most mild symptoms if your immune system shuts down the disease quickly. However you were exposed and and there was minor replication of the virus before your body quickly fought it off and the PCR test being used detects minute amounts of virus. So it's not a surprise at all that vaccinated people are 'testing positive' for covid because pretty much anyone exposed to a certain level will carry enough virus to fail a PCR test even if their immune system worked completely to eliminate the disease before it took hold, they were never going to have any symptoms or really have any chance of infecting another person. At this point in the disease cycle, counting positive PCR tests as 'cases' is just wrong.


AssortedCrystal114

Yes,vaccination dont 100% guarantee of one not getting Covid but it does reduces one getting so sick needs to go to hospital. That's why i think why the G is promoting it so much


rocifan

Ah yes we have one friend in our close circle whom no amount of science, talking to doctor friends, evidence can shift..she's stuck on "I'll just wait for a while longer"....we are all terrified for her and her family....tried going thru her fears with her....but no go...really really hoping this is not going to end in tears:(


thewind21

There will always be holdouts for anything because it's the easiest thing to do. No actions requires no decisions. This is from my experience with my friends who ask me when is a good time to invest. When the market drop half, they will say, "I'll wait, maybe it will drop more.". You know the ending of such stories.


Brilliant_Essay_9441

Are all Covid cases hospitalized? Why would you hospitalize a fully vaccinated person without any symptons? By doing that you take a spot of someone else, who might need it due to issues other than Covid...


DuePomegranate

No, they are not. Mild/asymptomatic cases go to a Community Care Facility for monitoring. Anyway, spots in hospitals are not interchangeable. If you have Covid, you will be in an isolation ward, you're not taking up a bed for someone with heart disease or stroke or whatever.


Brilliant_Essay_9441

Sounds logical. Asked as the article describes the case as assympomatic and vaccinated, yet still hospitalized


DuePomegranate

It's because this lady was in her 70s and may have had some risk factors that warranted closer monitoring.


rocifan

Not sure if this is the right spot for this info but my 89 year old mom recently had a room at Mt E Novena for day surgery, pacemaker replacement and the staff when asked told me 90% occupancy in hospital. When asked further was told no they don't take any covid cases at all but as it's a private hospital I'm guessing if govt hospitals run out of space the govt will def co-opt private hospital rooms if needed...again that's a guess


stashbox_stocks

If I’m under 40 and healthy I can get Covid, I most likely have no or minor symptoms. If I’m under 40 and healthy and get vaccinated I can still get symptoms and will most likely have no or minor symptoms. If I’m vaccinated I can still pass on the virus as well. If I take this experimental gene therapy/vaccine I reduce my chances of getting sick by what? 2%?


thewind21

MRNA is not gene therapy smartie pants. Rate of getting hospitalisation is a lot lower. Also I guess you have heard of long Covid. I hope you also don't spread Covid to your family because "gene therapy" that you claim to be also reduces transmission.


ilovezam

Not sure if you're just trolling, but mRNA vaccines don't affect your genes in any way


zed_j

Right so you take the chance of higher hospitalisation and long covid and potential long term side effects of a new virus that we don’t understand fully vs the almost non existent long term side effects that are being harped about on a vaccine we understand quite well having gone through all 3 phases of trials. The vaccines are not rushed through the trials because usually it takes long time because it takes time to approve, time to gather participants but because of covid they managed to prioritise it and find enough people with covid to participate.


thewind21

The trial was also fast tracked because there are just so many covid cases to trial the vaccine on. That is why Sinovac trials was conducted in Brazil and not China because there is hardly any cases in Covid.


stashbox_stocks

According to the article I have a 2.4 percent chance of getting sick without the vaccine. (Out of 253 vaccinated people 6 got sick) Of the 6 people who got sick I believe all were over 60. (Maybe I’m wrong) According to the article I have a zero percent chance of getting sick with the vaccine regardless of my age So if I’m under 40 and don’t get the vaccine I also have almost a zero percent chance of getting sick as well don’t I? It is very likely that the vaccine is safe, but what if it causes long term effects as well, calling it safe without a generation of testing is probably not fair. But hey everyone shut up and take your jab!


zed_j

If 2.4% is 0% then maybe you can relearn maths. Maybe stop thinking just about yourself, you may be one of those guys or you may not but there’s a lot of people and each with a 2.4% chance is still a shit load of people that can get sick given that 2 guys in every hundred gets sick and the chance also increases exponentially for other age group. If everyone thinks like you the hospitals will be full and perhaps you who got it later don’t get treatment since it’s full and die how do you like that? The problem is you keep thinking the probability of you getting sick and you getting serious side effects from vaccine is the same as in ‘small’ since you think that 2.4% and 0 has no difference. But the damn side effects probability is 100-1000x less than getting sick from covid.


thewind21

Survivorship biasness because in the statistics, you never count those who were in contact but didnt catch virus. And considering that much of population have already been vaccinated. The stats will skew toward that direction. The best stats is still from trials. But if you want to masterbate to your self made up stats without critically thinking. I hope you well.


ilovezam

"got sick"? I don't know if you're intentionally being disingenuous by using the term "getting sick" over and over again, but the 2.4% referred to severe illness, to the extent of needing ventilators and/or ICU admission.


stashbox_stocks

When I say get sick I mean you require actual hospitalisation.. not something that would be considered similar to the flu in other situations.


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stashbox_stocks

Your right I don’t understand. People tell me to shut up and get vaccinated because it’s safe. No one can explain to me how much safer I am though if I’m under 40 and healthy. The messaging is that the vaccine doesn’t stop it from spreading.. but maybe it does help. Of the last 1000 infections of people under 40 how many got sick and what are the vaccination/in vaccination splits. Sorry let me shut up and get my vaccine.


wyngit

If you're vaccinated you're 80-90% unlikely to catch covid on exposure, and as such won't pass it on. So your second point is moot.


Brandon_Maximo

Sometimes its better to let people think you are stupid, then to open your mouth and prove them right. Just because your mouth can make sounds doesn't mean you can make speak intelligently.


xutkeeg

In New Jersey, almost 50 fully-vaccinated people have died from COVID-19 according to data through July 12. All 49 people who died were over 50 years old. ***30 people were over 80 years old, 13 people were between 65 and 79 years old, and 6 people were between 50 and 64 years old.*** A coin has two sides. Make your own decision & take responsibility.


thewind21

It's precisely of people like you who spread the word without the full context. I don't know what agenda you have or you have very bad English. I can tell you I am surely going to win toto without telling you that I am actually going to buy all the possible toto combinations. Classic covidiot https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/564243-new-jersey-officials-say-nearly-50-fully-vaccinated-residents-have-died Leusner also said many of the people who died had preexisting conditions. Seventeen people had cardiovascular disease, nine had cancer or other conditions that compromised their immune systems and seven had diabetes, the news outlet reported. Others had chronic conditions in the lungs, kidney and liver.


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Brandon_Maximo

Hahahahahahhahaha. You need better education at discerning information. Stop reading headlines and read the actual damn articles.


Minamo-sensei

Well said