Moe nixes notion of COVID vaccination lottery
By - JoshuaLyman1999
My sister in law is working with post covid patients and feels that the government should just start talking more about the erectile disfunction that Covid can cause.
Hah, they were using this one in America. Especially to counter the disproportionate number of vaccine hesitant men. That's the fertility issue people should really be worried about .... As far as I've seen, our province has barely acknowledged long COVID/post-infection sequelae in their messaging at all.
How did she get her job as a fluffer?
That’s Dr. Fluffer.
That's an impressive title!
I wish people didn't downvote humor. This made me laugh.
What is this fast pass thing? Is that where people who are at the drive through for their first dose get pushed to the front of the line so they don't wait as long? If so, that is a good idea.
Edit: yes, just looked it up, that is exactly what it is. Good idea. I still think they should do a lottery as well, but this is still a good idea. Need to make that first dose as convenient as possible right now.
I think it would be a good idea if the wait time at the drive thru was what was keeping from getting their first doses. I’ve seen so many days where SaskHealth has tweeted out that there is little to no line up at the drive thru.
I don’t think the lines have been keeping people away because if they were there have been plenty of days with short lines. I think it’s been accessibility to people without a vehicle either getting to a drive thru or a clinic/pharmacy outside of walking/transit range. I think the pop up clinics will help out a lot if they’re strategically placed.
All of the people I know who have yet to get vaccinated simply won’t get one. They make little sense in their arguments as they quote Facebook falsehoods, conspiracies, or just straight up stubborn “I don’t want it”.
I can appreciate the fast passes for the few who truly want it but have struggled with access and this is awesome, but wait times and lines weren’t what was holding back a lot of people, and this needs to be addressed.
Frankly, I believe based on what I’ve been told that often it’s a control thing in a situation where people feel they’ve had little to none and it’s an act of emotional rebellion. This is what needs to be tackled and suddenly I think you’d see many people change their opinions and comments.
Agreed 100%, it’s great the province is trying different things to get the first dose numbers up; I just don’t think this fast pass idea will move the needle (pun intended) that much.
Like you said, I see two groups of people that haven’t gotten their first dose yet. Those who really want it and it just isn’t accessible enough for them yet and those who have been putting it off/won’t get it for one reason or another.
Those who have wanted it and are able to go to the drive thrus have had plenty of opportunities where the wait time has been almost zero. I feel this alone won’t be an incentive to many who haven’t received their first dose yet.
wonder if these people still going to the ICU start asking if they can get the vaccine now, TBH and I'm sure this'll offend a lot of people....but if you haven't gotten your first dose by now you're just not fucking trying, bullshit with the sob stories......get it or fuck off
Why should I get it? I'm a healthy 18 year old that has never had any health issues so I don't see a need for it for me. Like my chances of dieing are so low that if I do die from covid I deserve it.
Because you can transmit it to others.
And you can't spell "dying".
so can people that did get the vaccine?? it gives you a grater chance of you not getting sick from it doesn't stop you from spreading it.
Edit: here's an article from the CDC about how they don't even know if it stops you from spreading it. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html
Some people are not able to get the vaccine for valid health reasons. Being a selfish prick is not one of them.
Get your fucking shot.
Well my valid health reason is that its **My Body My Choice**. and again vaccinated people can still spread it to those same people so again your argument is invalid. and ya I am a selfish prick why shouldn't I be? I care about my family and my friends and no one else.
If you cared about your friends and family, you’d get the fucking vaccine.
if they wanted to be safe then they would get the vaccine as well no? out of my friends 2 of them got the vaccine and no one else is planning too get it anytime soon, also no one in my family is getting it either so ya, if they want to go protect themselves they can go ahead and get it I'm not gonna stop them but I still have zero reason to put random drugs into my body that I don't need.
you're right that you'll probably be fine, if you're asymptomatic and spread it around the people you kill might not be you stupid selfish prick
why shouldn't I be selfish? I highly dough any one I don't know cares about me so why should I give a singe fuck about them?
Also to add: if people are scared of getting killed by the virus then go get the vaccine? like isn't that what it for?
Young healthy people can still get permanently fucked up lungs from it, especially from the variants.
Well if I do get permanently fucked I just deserve it, like if I can't survive a spicy flue I don't need to live anymore if my body is that weak. Like what's the point in me living a healthy and fit lifestyle if I can't survive the 2.3% mortality rate without having to put random untested drugs in my body.
Lots of things. Thankfully I seem to be doing better than you.....
Your post was removed as it is excessively crude.
I feel like he’s missing the point. It’s not to reward people for getting the shot. It is to motivate those that have yet to get it. The financial burden on the healthcare system alone should make it reasonable to propose a lottery. We are a very conservative leaning province and I feel like a significant number of the unvaccinated are willing to stand their ground without additional motivation. Just because “no body tells me what to do” is something I’ve actually heard.
I like Alberta's way. Anyone over 18 is entered into the lottery. If your name is pulled and you're unvaxxed, they pull a new name. How amazing would it be for the first name they pull to be unvaxxed and miss out on a million dollars lol
It is a reward though, it's bribing people to do the right thing. It is a slippery slope!
What about all the tax incentives and other programs that “bribe” people to do the right thing. Graduate retention program for example. It’s bribing people to stay and work in Sask, and use their education that has been subsidized. Bribing people to get vaccinated, so they aren’t a burden on the rest of society is no different.
I never thought about it that way!
I didn’t say it wasn’t a reward, I said that wasn’t the point.
Without it we will continue to have the unvaccinated fill our ICUs and hospitals. It’s a cost/reward analysis. After 18+ months of lock downs and restrictions these people still haven’t been motivated to get the shot. More incentive is required for some.
I wonder what the uptake would be if we had a lotto ... I can't see the hardcore anti-vax people going for it.
" In this part of the world, you’re already winning by just getting vaccinated and having the opportunity to get vaccinated"
“We’ve already had nearly 700,000 very lucky winners in this province who went out and got their first shot."
Did he drop the mic after that? Cuz damn, that was good.
Their messaging on not having to isolate is also pretty good as an incentive for a lot of hesitant workers (particularly in industries without sick time ...).
That was good.
Good! Fuck the people who need a lottery to get the shot. What's next, a lottery for people who don't want to license their cars?
92% of those getting hospitalized for Covid are either unvaccinated or haven't been vaccinated for more than 3 weeks.
You would think that NOT being hooked up to a ventilator or going into a coma would be enough incentive alone. But at this point, if some anti-vaxxers kick the bucket, I'd say that's a win-win for the rest of us.
They may not harm themselves and pass the virus on to someone who was a vaccine non-responder. Infectious disease is not an individual issue, it's a societal issue.
Lotteries/prizes are honestly fine, though, and an effective use of resources if it entices even a small percentage of people. If it keeps a few people out the ICU, or saves a few lives, it has paid for itself. The only downside I can see is it could be fuel for additional conspiracy theories maybe?
Regarding the car licensing argument above, this vaccine is voluntary, licensing is not. So, unless vaccines are mandated it's not really a valid comparison. On that topic, we reward prosocial behaviours already with safe driving discounts =).
Is that for both shots or single shot?
single I believe.
I mean we still want unvaccinated people to get the shot so we should try something to get the fence sitters to get their prick. We all still use the same health care system, and I already feel bad for the overworked HCW at General having to watch people suffer.
And what's the next thing we gotta run a lotto for? Are we going to start running lottos whenever people don't do something?
I'm not talking about the next thing, I'm talking about this thing. You're free to brainstorm ideas if you like.
Terrible argument. The answer to the question "where does it end?" Is always "somewhere".
There are limits on everything. We live with them daily.
Yea but if we did do a lottery, and there was another pandemic in the future, it would incentivize people to not get vaccinated right away, because they'll wait until a lottery or some other incentive is offered. It's basically a reward for being irresponsible.
It's called phase 3 trials, which will not be over until 2023
I already responded to another person here about this, so forgive me for repeating myself.
I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. If you think about a vaccine lottery only from an economic point of view, I think there is a compelling argument in favour of it. If the result of a lottery is that an additional x# of people get the vaccine that otherwise would not have, it reduces the number of potential cases that would require hospitalization. So it follows that if the lottery results in a reduction of hospitalizations by y#, then as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to the cost of y# of hospitalizations, a vaccine lottery has the potential to be a very cost effective incentive that saves the healthcare system money in the grand scheme of things
Can we have a lotto for parents that feed their children at least 2 square meals a day?
Edit: I would actually support this one as it can save lives: A lottery for parents that actually take their child to the doctors when their child is sick, instead of just giving them oregano oil and garlic.
You are legally obliged to feed your children and seek medical treatment when needed. So not comparable at all to a vaccine lottery that would benefit society as a whole
Well, I recall a particular case in Alberta(?) where a baby died under similar circumstances. The parents, however terrible they were, believed in what they were doing. I guess it sort of show you that being legally obligated doesn't mean it will always happen unfortunately. 😔 Some cases likely due to neglect, some cases due to the parent's belief...
Edit: yeah I know my response doesn't really address your point. But my original post wasn't really serious neither. More of a rant/vent on how things are.
Edit Edit: I guess I was thinking if we need to use a lottery to entice adults, who are suppose to be able to make rational decisions, to get a vaccine that (above all else) protects them from a serious disease. We might as well use the resources to entice people to make decisions that would save the lives of those (children) that cannot make the decisions themselves.
I get your original point. The other comments show there’s two ways of looking at a vaccine lottery. To some people, there is a greater societal benefit to enticing the idiots sitting on the fence to get a vaccine. I agree that in an ideal world you shouldn’t HAVE to but we don’t live in an ideal world.
Fuck their horse they rode in on as well.
The win should be getting back to normal ASAP. Just gonna get entitled POS who will then complain when they didn't "win" and add fuel for covid deniers.
100% it's because the NDP initially proposed it.
Had AB and MB announced a lottery first I guarnatee Moe would've announced one the next day.
It sucks that we need an incentive of any kind in order to get the population vaccinated, but what is the alternative? I agree with Moe, the incentive is a "return to normal". Fuck those people claiming "muh rights" to remain unvaccinated, or waiting for herd immunity to protect them.
It does not appear that we will be able to limit attendance at public gatherings to the unvaccinated people, so even the vaccinated population will be potentially exposed at Riders games and other gatherings. Sure, immunized people will get less sick, but they can still get and spread COVID.
The long-term financial and health costs of COVID clogging up the health system will start to roll out in the next year.
But [AB](http://globalnews.ca/news/7947630/alberta-covid-19-vaccine-lottery/) & [MB](https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/manitoba-launching-vaccine-lottery-with-2m-in-prizes-to-promote-covid-19-immunizations-1.5462505) have announced lotteries.
Right - but the NDP called for a "lottery" of $25K for vaccinated persons *prior* to MB and AB.
Had the NDP *never* called for a lottery (promptly rejected by the Sask Party) - I would be confident that we'd get something similar.
I think Ohio was actually one of the first jurisdictions too.
I think in Vermont they give out food at some places haha.
In university they used to give free Subway sandwiches at the blood donor clinic. Lineup out the door at lunchtime.
It's truly a dizzying intellect.
I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. If you think about a vaccine lottery only from an economic point of view, I think there is a compelling argument in favour of it. If the result of a lottery is that an additional x# of people get the vaccine that otherwise would not have, it reduces the number of potential cases that would require hospitalization. So it follows that if the lottery results in a reduction of hospitalizations by y#, then as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to the cost of y# of hospitalizations, a vaccine lottery has the potential to be a very cost effective incentive that saves the healthcare system money in the grand scheme of things.
Yes, he said had AB and MB announced it first (before our NDP had), then Moe would have done it. I don't feel he would have personally.
Neither government in AB or MB should be taken seriously, both have badly dropped the ball with practically everything in the past 15 months; they make the SP look competent.
While I would agree, the Sask Party did do the SGI rebate which was an NDP proposal during the election.
The SGI rebate is not a partisan decision made by anyone. Once insurance coffers get too high, rebates are given. WCB did it several years ago after good returns on investments. He took credit for it after NDP tried to take credit for it.
Wow, thing relevant before is not relevant now. Shocker. Next at 6: Water wet.
Two months ago you could have said make sure you bundle up to go outside. Doesn't mean it's relevant now. Circumstances change.
Water isn't wet.
I mean, we had some of the steepest restrictions in Canada back then and it paid off
You understand how time works and that things happen over a duration that change circumstances and approaches, yes?
To say that taking steps to stop a deadly pandemic before vaccines were readily available and when infection rate was 10% or higher is complete lunacy, because it would be lunacy now, when we have a vaccination solution is the stupidest fucking thing I've heard all day.
There are people still wanting things like this. It's crazy.
User name checks out.
I don't make any secret of my dislike for Moe and the SP, but I will give him props for standing his ground and saying the vaccine is its own reward.
A vaccine lotto wasn't even something I would care about but this guy's a choch right? There must be a better option.
Our aging population is why we don't need a lottery. Other provinces/states are having to add an incentive for probabilistically large fractions of populations who at the individual level are at low personal risk of severe affects due to their low comorbidities.
Why don't they just cut to the chase and give anyone vaccinated idk 10k. " there you go little piggy enjoy your last days"
Vaccine is killing us?