We all know it is true
By - Broclen
Ah, I wonder if the comments will be open minded.
I know when I was growing up legalistic I would have agreed in principle but been very defensive of the importance of arguing over denominational differences. I don’t see it that way any more, unity is often more valuable when there’s so much common ground
I think it's possible to discuss, even argue, and not become hostile.
I agree. For some reason people think that different beliefs are somehow an attack on their own.
I think some smart guy once said something like "Being able to consider an idea but not immediately accept it as true is a mark of intelligence"
I explained different denominations to my son using language as an analogy. Just because in English we say "hello" and in French they "bonjour" doesn't mean we're not saying the same basic thing. The important part is that we are doing our best to follow Christ's teachings, if I do it with a liturgy and follow a prayer book (I'm Episcopalian) and someone else does it by praying something that they feel the Holy Spirit is moving them to do, it doesn't mean one is better than the other. In fact, both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Now, are there things that other denominations do that I absolutely do not agree with? Yes, but all I can do is try to spread the Word of God as I understand it, not tell them they are wrong and going to hell because that's a guaranteed way to get them to shit down and not listen to anything else I say. I know I don't respond well when people do that to me.
I wish more people would be open to that way of thinking rather than digging their heels in and getting defensive when someone offers a differing perspective.
Sayings like that will always be Greek to me.
I see what you did there 😉💙
An interesting quote, though I'm not fully convinced yet.
Of course your right. But in my experience, the root problem is whether we’re prioritizing debate or prioritizing finding common ground. That’s my point, and I think there’s a cultural issue in American Christianity where we’re overly divisive
I also agree that should not become too much pain d'hostie
Over Religion? Yes.
Over the weird way certain types have attached the anti-vax stuff to their certain religion? No. Because even when you use their logic that God *created* science, so many of them suddenly do a 180 and start saying no God must be wrong. They legit hold 2 thoughts in their head at the same time.
You can't trust those people. You can't have actual discussions with people like that, because they aren't participating in good faith.
What denomination were you raised in?
Pretty old school legalistic Baptists with a mix of Brethren
Gotcha. I was raised church of Christ. I'm Methodist now.
As a Catholic, all you protestants are heretics
No one asked you, you Papist! 😝
Without protestants we would never had gotten all the Martin Luther jokes though, and those are pretty classic.
Which is funny considering from what I've seen Lutheranism is just Diet Catholic/Catholic Lite. Might be different nowadays though that was like 20 years ago.
I thought your answer was spot on a reflection of my own trajectory. Ironically (or not) we were raised in a pretty similar religious tradition. Glad we have been learning the importance of God’s people playing nicely.
I agree. I’m still all for believing what you believe and seeking truth in denominational beliefs through discussion and debate, but that takes a big backseat to unity and common ground when we can find it
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
(Credit to Emo Philips)
Deus vult, infidel
By the Pope!
For the empire!
As a baptist, can confirm. We are very specific.
I remember growing up Christian I never even paid attention to denominations because they made sense to me in theory, but the big deal that people made out of them didn’t. In theory we’re all supposed to be out here loving Jesus and trying to be good people, so I don’t get the point in arguing with someone just because the Nazarene church happened to be the one that was closest to their house when they were trying to pick which to go to.
Sounds like something a protestant would say.....
*Sharpens Catholic dagger*
give to Caesar what is Caesar's
Loving God and loving others **is your denominational affiliation**
Got it, you’re Protestant
You're not *a Christian*? **gasps** /s
1 Corinthians 3 won't stop me, because I can't read!
Just like most of church history!
Does this mean “don’t beat each other up over minor religious points” or “truth doesn’t matter that much, love is more important”.
You've touched on a paradox. To claim "love is more important" is to state a doctrine. That's a tenet, a belief, a truth claim. So to claim love is the most valuable is to assert that truth exists. You have to then asses what truth is.
You’re bringing up paradoxes with Christians? That’s… brave.
...substantiate your claim
There is no “more important” truth. The truth must be spoken in love, or else it is nothing. In the same way, love is meaningless if it does not contain truth. I can take communion with a Presbyterian even though he believes in paedobaptism, I cannot fellowship with someone who thinks stealing is ok, or that murder is ok. I can show them love, but I cannot take communion with them.
I think it's more the distinction of our own imperfect understandings of truth, and the perfection of God's Truth.
"For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known."
While I am not suggesting that everything can be perfectly known and understood, i must ask why the Bible was given to us except that we should discern the truth? The Bible says that without love, truth is dead. Therefore we can rightly assume that the inverse is true, love without truth is dead. Just as works without faith is dead, so also it is here. There is no need to wax philosophical about knowable truth: the Bible says it.
I get you now, and agree. Especially since that's what the rest of that chapter I quoted says: "the greatest of these is love".
In the wise words of John: "all you need is love, love is all you need."
In the words of Jesus “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me”.
I can agree with the former, not so much with the latter.
Agreed, Jesus said you will know the truth and the truth will set you free, and he was a member of my denomination so I think that should clear everything up
Didn't know there were Jews lurking on this sub
I bet the Jews are full of dank Christian memes
Both can be true. While truth is important in the big picture, we often put pedantic squabbles ahead of serving others and following the more obvious teachings of Jesus
Respectfully, I disagree. Love and truth are equally important, but they both need each other. You cannot love someone and never speak the truth to them, but you also cannot speak the truth and never be loving while doing it. I agree with you that a lot of denominations are split because of minor differences, but there is wider movement that makes love the focus of the gospel and leaves out the truth that we we need to be wary of.
Much of what gets considered love or truth these days is just more pedantry, people defending their theological opinions instead of pursuing wisdom and serving others.
This is a great question to ask. I would have recoiled in the past at you later question. Now I may agree with that second part but would rephrase it as "what is the value of truth if there no love backing it up"?
To answer the the original question, it probably depends on how frustrated the OP was with the church at the time!
I agree with your points, I was just saying we should not forsake teaching right doctrine in our churches in the name of loving your name. I am wary of modern movements which have been (rightly so) upset at evangelicals who don’t know how to show the love of Christ.
Was listening to right wing talk radio once and the host was a Catholic going on and on ranting about protestants and I'm like "what fucking year is it? 1570?"
What about loving "heathens" or people who disagree with your personal and religious views on topics like abortion? Or other religious affiliations? Many people tend to hate and "demonize" them instead of at least try to tolerate and respect. Forget about love, that's too much to ask.
If you see self-proclaimed Christians hating on others, for any reason, then they have lost their way. You should help them if you can.
I try belive me, and I'm not ever religious or believe in a God per se. I just try to be a good human to myself and others. That's why those acts really blow up my mind.
Was Jesus hating the Pharisees when he rebuked them strongly?
Paul also doesn't hold back when addressing sinners in his letters.
Obviously, it takes an extremely righteous person to be able to correctly use this form of correction.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
For me, the difference is that Jesus is the authority and the way. Paul had the benefit of being a contemporary and hearing the gospel from first-hand witnesses.
All of us today are just poor schlubs doing our best to interpret writings that have been translated a bajillion times 2k years ago. We’re not really in a position of authority, but followers trying to share the good news to the best of our understanding.
It’s like, I don’t parent other people’s children, but I will do my best to keep them safe. The details are up to mom and dad.
Yeah, I agree with that assesment for the most part.
It’s an older meme but, it checks out.
how about loving all people regardless of their race, ability to afford a home, and other identities?
Yes. Jesus is quite clear on that
Clearly not clear enough
Honestly,I don’t get how anyone can claim to be Christian (meaning: following the teachings of Jesus Christ) and yet despise anyone who’s different from them in some way and wish he’ll upon them. It just makes no sense _at all_
Even if they’re sinners according to the Bible (which,let’s be real,the vast majority of people including them are if we took it literally) the correct way of action would be to forgive and love them all the same. Heck,Jesus dined with tax men,whores,and even people so contagious they were literally cast from society.
**Loving others is more important than your opinions about gay people.**
I can see people throwing that away.
True enough, but also a truism.
Let’s go further: loving others is more important than loving god, studying the Bible, or going to church.
There are many religions and no one knows which if any are true. But if there is an afterlife I gotta believe love is the only ticket ya need
Based from evidence, I feel that the religious are the people who struggle with this the most
Spoken like a true Protestant
Sub it out with political beliefs and it works too
*Unless* their denomination is some Kenneth Copeland prosperity gospel nonsense. That's legit heresy and it's your duty to not let them get away with calling themselves Christian.
I always wonder why people who think of love as primordial to their faith, still identify as "Christians" at all. Anybody in any religion at any time can love others or get that wishy-washy romanticized feeling of love. People long before Christ knew that feeling in detail. No need for Christ if that's what they're after.
Isn't this relativism in disguise? It looks like a direct negation of the first commandment.
What did Jesus say about commandments?
When asked which is the most important commandment, He replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment" (Mat. 22.37-38)
Yes, and I'm pretty sure he says something right after that too...
Love seems pretty central to Jesus' message though based on that quote, no?
Oh, so you're supposed to love God in the same way that you're supposed to love your neighbor? Or is there maybe an order of precedence in which to do those things?
Do you also pray *to* your neighbor, rather than *for* him?
Does Matthew 5:17 apply?
"Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the
prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill."
The law still exists, not just despite, but with the condonement of Jesus.
One love one heart one destiny
denominations divide us and cherry pick the bible. love others and follow the word❤
People who have grown up in missionary families in relatively isolated parts of the world have told me that the missionaries from different denominations in the same mission field tended to ignore those differences, because being part of a community was more important than being right. Maybe we need to think about being those kinds of missionaries.
Non-denominational folks still have their requirements
Non-denominational, what up?!
Being non-denominational is still a denominational affiliation
Thoroughly agree with this, and in fact it's the nondenominational church that leads me to hesitate on agreeing with the original post. I agree that loving people is more important than denominational lines... except what about those who, because of their denomination, either hate, or at least don't accept and condemn groups of people? For example, non-denominational churches and their views and behaviors towards the LGBTQIA+ community.
I almost left the Christian faith entirely because of the passive aggressive and constant focus on my sexuality when I was trying to focus on the Lord, building a relationship and seeking counsel for spiritual growth. It was only when I went to a denominational church that I found a community which cared more about my spiritual wellbeing and growth than condemning me, which all the non-denominational churches i went to did, despite the fact that I was chaste at the time.
Can certainly go too far though. Church of the Latter Day Saints I believe went too far.