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I mean this guy didn’t speak for years at one point. Watch Wild Wild Country on Netflix.


Because he was all drugged out.butbi guess sometimes drugs give you better insight like "the people are retarded".


Hahaha yeah he was indeed probably pretty doped up here you are right.


Yeah, after the drug abuse his speech slowed down a lot. I think this is the period where he was in his prime. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImsyUqeqbT4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImsyUqeqbT4) ​ Overall though I'd rank Charles Manson higher on the cult leader tier list in terms of charisma and the eloquence of his speech. I'd say Osho is definitely more educated though and has more interesting things to say, since he pulls a lot of his teachings from Daoism, Budhism, Hinduism etc... Whereas Manson was illiterate his entire life. (manson example below) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfGj\_55FHI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfGj_55FHI)


Bagwan had waaaay more followers, an airport, his own police force, and a small city.


He almost captured political control of an entire county in Oregon.


And that is exactly why higher authorities had to get involved and use dirty tactics like handcuffing and parading like criminal on live tv to legitimize prosecution, but in the end they could only force him to deport somehow. He actually had lot of respect for freedom laws of particularly America, and didn't actively try to break them.


And I think 93 Rolls Royce cars (this is not a joke, fyi. He literally had 93 Rolls Royces).


And that was after he made an international following in India. His teachings weren’t just bullshit. Deep spiritual education and effective messaging at work.


And gangbangs


Yeah sorta...he still loved the big dramatic pauses, even then. But at least he was picking up the pace when he actually did speak 😂


How the fuck was Manson illiterate but talked like that? Blows my mind. The guy is smart as shit, maybe he is the devil.


It's precisely his charisma that makes him so dangerous. He demonstrated that perfectly when he said "here's why the girls liked me" and broke into song and dance. He knows he has a silver tongue.


I dunno, he sounds like a bum to me. Definitely charismatic but I've heard homeless people speak the same way.


Man, imagine how weird the alternate universe is where Hitler became a successful artist and Charles Manson succeeded at becoming one of The Beach Boys.




Yeah as my old man use to say: #### World is full of **motherfuckers**


Is your dad Samuel L Jackson?


I didn't need to be drugged out of my gourd to know people are retarted


Well ya you use reddit.


That's just simply not true. Most of these drug abuse claims just aren't backed up, just some random people who accused him without any proof. Just like because he was open to talk about sexuality, which is a common topic nowadays, people started calling him head of a "sex cult". I'll give you that he was some what of an opportunist because of the predatory nature of a generation with a void of access to information, and really pissed with the government, but these things tend to happen when people are deprived by social norm.


Best doc. I couldn't believe I had never heard anything about that INSANE story.


I lived it. Was about 10 years old and lived two counties over when all of that went down.


And then watch Batshit Valley from Documentary Now! with Owen Wilson


I thought the video paused. Then I thought my phone crashed. Turns out he was just lagging.


Nah, I'm still dumb.




.......... ................... ........same


Holy shit


When you want to seem smart but you're actually sounding even dumber




Cultspeak — sounds “deep” that way


My man smoked some of that Good Good




He’s just speaking slowly for the retards.


He's speaking to his followers....so yeah.


Speak realllyyyy fast. Makes other people inattentive so they would agree with whatever you are saying, making you “smarter” to them. Goes both ways I guess, people are retarded.


Ah the "Ben Shapiro debating strategy"


Who here thought the video ended or was buffering?


His brain was buffering.


I'm ... not so ..... sure .... about that.


For real. Those fast talkers (no need to Shapiro names) think talking fast makes them seem smarter when it makes you look more douchey.


I don’t know about that. I have a very smart friend who speaks slowly and he’s been asked on multiple occasions if he thinks as slow as he speaks.




Now I want some french fries potaters


Not working for our president (México)


I think he just high af


When you are valued for your ... ... Profound insight ... ... People will wait patiently for your complete thoughts.


Rajneesh/Osho. Not exactly the dude I'd go to for any advice.


The naked screaming, beatings and attempted murder was a red flag?


Also the entire bio terrorism thing was no bueno


Oddly enough, he's the guy that exposed the bio-terror


One time a guy that looked like him went into the stall next to mine and unleashed the loudest shit I've ever heard in my life. It was so concerningly loud like maybe he needed help after but I washed my hands and ran.


thanks for sharing that, stranger.


This is the most I’ve laughed all day. Thank you strangers.


I let loose a porcelain cracker once and I literally heard a packed pub toilet clear out near instantly, tbf it did smell like you'd just opened up a barrel that'd had a dead hooker in it for a few weeks somewhere sunny.


They were afraid of your raw power. I once unleashed my brown ropes of domination in a Pennsylvania truck stop bathroom, and faced the most intense battle of my life against this 340 pound trucker. The only reason I won was through sheer determination/lack of fiber, and his will broke. Thus, is the way of all shit wars.


You sunk my Battleshit!


Sometimes I wish I couldn’t read. Take me upvote and get out.


The Winds of Shit


The fuck is a porcelain cracker?


A blast that cracks porcelain - the stuff toilets are made of


Baby toilets maybe. Mine are made from stainless steel. No cracking just a couple of memorable dents.


Ah, I used to have stainless steel toilets. Just got steel toilets now.


Well, not everyone has the luxury of living in a prison cell


Did he shout “who does number two work for”


Eh, i don’t think it’s clear he was in charge of that. His like right hand man (woman) was. He’s the one that exposed it.


Throwing the last secretary he banged under the bus as it came out is hardly the same as exposing it.


Just to take over a small town so they can build whatever


They already had the town, they were trying to get into the county government. Tried to make people sick so they couldn't go to the polls on election day.


I've watched a lot interview videos of Charles Manson and Osho. I'd say Manson is more charismatic and poetic with his words to the point that you can't get bored watching his 1 hr interviews. Whereas Osho borrows a lot of wisdom from stuff like Daoism, Budhism, Hinduism, so his speeches are more "educational" if that makes sense. However a lot of his videos do get boring after a while, but sometimes his speeches can be more poetic than Manson's. ​ I'd say these are the two best videos I've watched from both cult leaders. ​ [https://youtu.be/yxUw1jp1EZI?t=405](https://youtu.be/yxUw1jp1EZI?t=405) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNBu5eSrtnA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNBu5eSrtnA)


I believe Osho was just grifting people and he knew it, whereas Manson really believed in all the crazy things he was saying.


Nah, I think Manson just wanted to do drugs and have lots of sex so he kept saying crazier and crazier shit to keep all the people following him. Then a group of them decided to act on his nonsense and ruined the good thing he thought he had going.


> Osho borrows a lot of wisdom from stuff like Daoism, Budhism, Hinduism, so his speeches are more "educational" if that makes sense. A friend of mine said "He's like a really good high school teacher for 'Eastern Wisdom' but has no new insights worth anything"


The comment section with everyone praising Charles Manson is distributing but not in the least surprising


Thank you. Been meaning to find a good osho interview after watching the Netflix doc and hadn’t done it yet. Yeah, I like him but he is a real slow talker. Good talk.


He did say the people ARE retarded


I mean it’s not discriminatory if we are all retarded.


Anyone who hasn't seen wild wild country should see it. Its documentary about his cult, when it tried to settle in America. They were already fleeing India's justice for tax fraud (mostly) and tried to buy themselves a town in the USA.


It's so good. The first few episodes set up a really interesting dynamic where you're unsure if his followers are being discriminated against by the town who just don't want outsiders, or if the townspeople have a point. Then the poisoning happens and you're like "oh ok it's a crazy cult. Got it." Then it gets even more bizarre.


And as horrible and scary she is, Sheela is so fascinating. She really make this show... and well she made the cult and the crimes too. Because he may have been the guru but she was the leader. What a character. So intelligent, so driven and yet she seems totally sincere in a faith that led her to commit terrible crimes. You have to wonder how she got so completely engulfed in this cult. And if she was, how could anyone resist?


She also follows the pattern where the 2nd in command in a cult is the key to to the cults rise in power and greater harm. See Brigham Young (Mormons), David Miscavige (Scientology)


Basically hijacking a vehicle for themselves to gain power.


Uhhh, a lot of emotional trauma and maybe a lack of support elsewhere. Source: My award winning, PhD holding, beautiful, intelligent, motivated mother. Who happens to also be in a cult


She's currently running 2 memory care facilities in Switzerland https://www.telegraphindia.com/culture/people/being-sheela-a-candid-chat-with-ma-sheela-anand/cid/1813580


"Tough titties"


And what else is fascinating about her is that she now runs some sort of assisted living facility in Switzerland (or maybe Sweden). It's like she went from being this crazy cult leader to a charitable old lady.


> the town who just don't want outsiders, or if the townspeople have a point Both, IIRC. Their prejudices were not just vindicated but overshadowed by reality, but they still came first chronologically.


even if the modern interviews, they complain more about all the sex the cult members were having way more than the attempted murder and poisoning


>his followers are being discriminated against by the town I mean they were. the town people were complete garbage too. it's basically "racists vs cultists"


From the beginning it felt like a crazy cult to me. What I struggled with is how all those interviewed had rationalized to themselves that really no harm was done, and that something good still had been achieved with their commune, and that the whole thing was just a misunderstanding. Very few recognized their mistake. Many were all well meaning, kind and decent people. Who happened to get swallowed into a cult and yet even now weren't ready to admit that significant wrongs were committed and that they played a part in it. This may have been because of the nature of the documentary or how it was cut or the questions asked... Still, that was the wild part of it to me. Still hanging on to the naive ideal of what it could've been and not the acknowledging the disaster it turned out to be.




Also check out the parody of it from documentary now. It stars owen wilson as the guru guy.


Also check out Kumare if you want a cross between a parody and a documentary.


Somehow it makes total sense that Owen would be the one


Lol right? Wise words? From this cult leader / embezzler? Usually those types of people can articulately criticize society and point out many of its issues aptly. They then use that to profit off of you. People should assess the messenger much more than the message these days


Wise words, not so wise man


I mean - he lived a pretty cushy life, so I'm not sure I'd call him *unwise*. His followers absolutely were/are rubes, but he's just a charlatan.


Wise is not the same thing as clever


It's weird quoting pieces of shit for their wise words lol >Do not compare yourself to others. If you do, you are insulting yourself. -Adolf Hitler


This guy is a clown 🤡 Rapist, embezzling, thief, con man Yeah, that’s really wise Lmao 😂


In 1984, his followers were also [antidemocratic bioterrorists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterror_attack).


Holy cow! That’s right, I had forgotten that! Ty for posting this


Fuck him and his stacks upon stacks upon stacks upon stacks of Rolls Royces. Seriously, the dude had 20+ Rolls Royces. Disgusting terrorist and cult leader show off his disgusting hoard of wealth.




My stepmother had to have had like 20 books by that guy. She had my dad hooked on all that for a few years till we dipped.


But you can’t say he is wrong


It’s reductionist. People are also brilliant. Democracy is the best we can do. There is no perfect government, and every other system is worse. The worse thing about democracy is that people might eventually vote to stop being a democracy.


Democracy means(proceeds to enter a coma)


Thought my video was buffering.


Waiting for the words to buffer in his mind.


He was lagging in real time.


Aren’t we all


Finally a speech pace that my mind can process


From the drugs being pumped into him at this point of his cult leadership.


We don't need drugs to know he's right thou^^


But we do to wait for him to finish a sentence Ba dum tiss


I still wouldn't take what he says as gospel. Find someone else with the same opinion who isn't a cult leader


So it would be true if someone else said it?


I thought that was the joke, some absurdist "democracy means............. government" which honestly would have been funnier


It was either a big comma or a small coma


Uppercase comma


I thought my shit was buffering.


I thought this is one of those videos where you see a person die mid sentence. And the. He came out of it. Lol


*Immense hospital bill ensues* *Cries in America*


I like the way George Carlin put it: "This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans." Edit- typo


Yeah, but this dude in the video (Osho/Rajneesh) was a cult leader… so maybe don’t take his advice. Listen to George instead.


Well in this circumstance he's not wrong


Some things that Donald Trump said weren’t wrong either given the circumstances, but I sure as hell won’t be taking any advice from him.


The fact that Trump can speak english in a recognizable pattern means the likely hood of him being right at least once in his life is obscenely high, almost to the point of being a given. But all that means is someone else said it already and said it better. Now if we were looking for originality from Trump, well... the only original thing he has produced is being orange and wearing his pants backwards at a GOP event (Im pretty sure neither have happened before at GOP events, let alone both at the same time)


>Trump can speak english in a recognizable pattern [Citation required]


Oh I can recognize it alright. Fast enough to turn it off immediately.


well, give a troupe of monkeys a typewriter, and they can produce one of Shakespeare's scripts. Doesn't mean i'm just gonna go out there and buy a typewriter to give to monkeys.


Wild wild country is so damn good. I actually know Mark Frohnmaier, son of the DA who found the threatening letter and dismembered birds.


He has stolen several of George Carlin's bits. He stole the one where her talks about the word fuck too. https://youtu.be/Bdgi6PAtH1Q


I like when Carlin said, and I’m paraphrasing “think about how dumb the average person is. Then realize that half the world is dumber than that”


Literally posted 3 days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/nrzmsh/wise_man_defining_democracy/


Most of don’t live on Reddit every day. Reposts are good.


Exactly this


That buildup


Was worth it.


Sums up wallsteeetbets


This is the cult leader, Osho, from the Netflix doc Wild Wild Country https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7768848/?ref\_=nv\_sr\_srsg\_5


It’s a wild wild documentary. I felt like I kept having to pick my jaw up off of the floor each and every part of it


The whole thing was just one psychotic twist after another.


Documentary Now! did a two part episode spoofing this with Owen Wilson as the Osho character


Honestly I didn't think of him being the most evil. The woman that ended up in Switzerland seemed much worse. I felt like he was her puppet rather than the other way around


I agree with that statement alone, but I have a feeling he's using it to support an argument that I absolutely will not agree with.


“Democracy is a very bad form of government… but all the others are so much worse.” - Churchill


This makes me wonder, in a distant future what other econamic/political systems would be established? would any of them work? How many other ways of running a society can we come up with?


Cyberocracy Artificial intelligences make all the decisions


It’s pretty textbook Mussolini fascism. “Majority is not fit to rule”.


Says a man who hijacked people's emotional vulnerabilities for his own gain as a cult leader. Of course he thought this. He is a horrible person who waned people to be stupid. Glad he is dead.


Well that kinda validates his point , people are retarded and easy to manipulate. Religion or politics both work just fine.




He's absolutely right, himself included if anything. God damn it most human beings are fucking STUPID.


Except me, obviously. If I were in charge, everything would be just peachy. It's all these other idiots mucking it all up. /s


Funny how no one realizes that he’s talking about you. Not just the person you disagree with. 🤦‍♂️


Me in high school civics after smoking during lunch


Laughed way too hard at this.


I actually think this is a very good point


The guy is a supreme douche, but on this point he is 100% correct. The last few years have proven why full direct democracy would be a complete disaster. The loudest most ignorant people in the community are the ones running the show, even today.


Socrates: "foolish leaders of Democracy, which is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequaled alike." the guys a phony but he was onto something.


Feel bad for socrates. He just preach to people about the weakness of democracy but he got sentence to death instead.


It was moreso that he was getting the youth riled up questioning the system. He was killed for not believing in the gods officially.


He ain't wrong tho


Ya. Everybody things they are an expert on him by watching one netflix documentary. Lmao.


The problem is that people who are uneducated need to respect the direction of those who are. For some reason (religion) people have begun questioning the advice of those who have spent their whole lives studying a subject... Take climate change 99.9% of all climatologists agree with man made global warming data... There is a little variance on the exact outcome severity, but they almost all agree on the outcome... But some dumb ass takes that .1% disagreement and makes a case that 45% of the population listens to. It is idiotic. Especially when the .1% has taken money from the oil industry to fudge the numbers and their whole premise has been disproven. Same with vaccines... Same with election results... Same with... It goes on and on and on like this. The general population lives in this Dunning-Kruger fantasy land and refuses to even listen to anything outside of their own mental echo chamber. The question becomes, can democracy function under this disfunctional reality of fact denial and disinformation news cycle? Is the character of of a democracy able to defer to experts or does one crackpot have the ability to destroy the foundation of democracy.


It's not about education but rather intelligence If they had the intelligence to understand that then no problem "Educated" does not mean intelligent . It just means you have knowledge in your field of study You don't magically become smarter


[Dunning-Kruger effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) Competence in a field... Call it what you want intelligence/education, it is the practical application of a discipline. But just because one is competent in one field does not imply competence in another. I know a lot of educated idiots also, but what I am referring to is mastery of a discipline. The basis of your comment comes from Dunning-Kruger... Educated people feeling they are smarter than they actually are because of competence in another discipline, they are completely unable to recognize their incompetence in a separate discipline.


I spent a decade doing research in academia for Biophysics, Biochemistry, Chemical Physics and High Energy Physics. Upwards of 90% of research/papers/articles written since ~2000 have no business whatsoever have being published, and that is in "non political" areas of research and it's even more of a disgrace when money and politics are the drivers of research area. Note that my research is still referenced dozens of times a year in journals such as Nature, Nature Materials, Chemical Reviews, Science Advances, Nature Physics, etc... by researchers at Harvard, Oxford, Smithsonian, MIT, etc... The whole academia world is a sham and has been for decades, and the "I fucking love science" clowns only make it worse.




It's also funny to watch people who've never studied economics dismiss the advice of economists because it doesn't fit their worldview.


You have a lot to learn grasshopper.


Fucking Osho. Crazy ass Osho.


The comments on this thread demonstrate how easy it can be to end up in a cult.


You best start believing in unsuspecting cults, because you just posted on one.




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This has been posted on this sub like 10 times this week. Netflix doing some marketing for this guy's documentary or what?


Yes, I got paid top dollar for this advertisement.


Man's gotta eat


I thought the video was buffering


There’s a documentary about this guys cult on Netflix, it’s fucking CRAZY!!!


He has Disney villain's eyes


He has a real villain’s eyes too.


This is exactly what an authoritarian would say. People are not stupid, on the whole. They certainly are ignorant, but that is a situation that can be remedied. Learning to compromise is a far better lesson than allowing tyrants to control your entire life.


He’s spitting facts


He’s on so many opioids at this point in his cult leader life. Still true though.


Holy fuck that was funny and also incredibly true!! But I’ll still take democracy voted for by idiots over a authoritarian dictatorship!!


mmm, no, very unwise


Wasn't this guy a perverted cult leader? Wouldn't admiring this guy kinda make you retarded?


It’s funny as hell tho