[Black] Vladdy sat at the end of the dugout for at least 3 minutes after the game tonight. 3 minutes, and at least a bit longer, but the cameras stopped rolling! We can't do this to the best young player in the game!
By - jeantanks
Feels like we aren't far away tbh. A starter and a reliever maybe...we have a lot of injuries to relievers.
We have no relievers who aren't injured. Yates, Merryweather, Borucki, Phelps. All good options, all hurt. We've had to try to cobble something together with castoffs and AAAA at best arms. Now Romani may be dealing with something and Dolis might be headed to the IL with "dead hand". We had a good bullpen; there's a reason they were so doninant in April. Then the injury bug hit the team like wildfire.
Not really. This team showed up a year or two early and the fact we’re even here is amazing without a ton of our big names on both sides of the ball. If this year we finish above .500 or make the wild card, the team can work to improve and push seriously next year and go for the division
I disagree with your take, without injury this team would be just as good as Boston or Tampa. Some good deadline/offseason deals and some luck in terms of injury is all it will take to turn this team into serious contenders
Nah , we don't have the pitching to compete. Injuries have nothing to do with it, every team deals with injuries. Your take is completely delusional , just compare the Dodgers pitchers to the Jays if you need an example
“Injuries have nothing to do with it”
Are we watching the same Jays? All but one of our best relievers (Romano) is on the IL. Every team deals with injuries, sure, but not every team has their bullpen ripped to shreds. You can’t look at how well our bullpen performed in April compared to how awful they’ve been as of late and seriously claim that injuries have nothing to do with it. It’s true that every team deals with injuries, but you’d be hard pressed to find another team who has had one specific area of their team hit by the IL as hard as the jays pen.
Even healthy our bullpen is way below league average ..that was my point. We were going to have issues with the bullpen even if we were 100% healthy, and our starting pitching isn't good enough for the playoffs either we need at least one more proven starter who can throw for 5 innings on the regular
That’s simply not true. In the month of April the Blue Jays bullpen had a 2.52 ERA, which was good for 3rd in MLB while throwing the 8th most innings of any bullpen. Calling that “below league average” is absolutely laughable.
That was one month , the season is 6 months long so what is your point?
My point is that in quite a decent sample size (100 IP) the healthy Blue Jays bullpen clearly showed that they could perform fairly well. Do I think they would have stayed a top-3 bullpen in MLB? No. But I don’t think you can look at that performance and honestly claim they were below league average. The numbers just don’t back that up at all.
Editing your comment to change your response after I’ve already replied is pretty disingenuous. I agree that the jays need another starter. That has nothing to do with the quality of our bullpen when healthy.
Your an idiot
I literally said "some deadline/off-season deals are necessary", you come off like a prick calling me delusional when your argument completely ignores that. And yes every team has injuries, some have more, some have less which is why I said "some luck in terms of injury" as in being a team with less than average.
No need to get rude because we disagree.
Stop being such a sensitive baby..calling someone a prick is RUDE , saying your delusional was just staring fact
Utter nonsense. I kindly told you how you appear to others, in hopes of helping you self reflect! Let me know if there's anything else bothering you, since you are past debating the topic at hand
I predict **Jays-Padres WS in 2022** and **Jays-Braves WA in 2023** (with the caveat that there is actually a season next year). Made this prediction in like 2018 after being inspired about the SI guy that predicted the Astros would **’win’** 5 years before they did.
Laughable casual fan prediction, taking inspiration from sports illustrated article 😅😂🤣
Man everything you just said missed hard. You are taking the word inspired to literally. I just meant ‘hey this guy created a game of predicting WS winners 5 years into the future’ so why not play the game.’ As everyone else was at the time.
Also saying this prediction back in 2017/2018 is actually impressive cause now knowing what we know its has a much higher degree of occurring. These are teams that will be in the top 8 so its very plausible.
People like you are the reason no one takes the internet seriously. Even for a second and they shouldn’t
You really should wear a helmet , you can't risk anymore dementia
Not knowing you are a clown yourself, being a hypocrite and projecting that issue onto others is about the biggest clown move someone could make
Every thought, word, action, joke by you have been clownish
Ill leave it at that
if homie was a fan in 2017-2018-2019 he probably isnt a casual, quit gatekeeping
Ok white knight quit shilling for the mentally challenged
Lol alright dude, have a nice life
Ironic that you call him a casual fan, but don't have the basic baseball knowledge to see that this team is closer than "a few years away" and that injuries have been a big factor in our struggles this season.
We can't do this to him? Interesting angle. I'm betting Vladdy was sitting there ruminating so long because of his mental baserunning error in the 9th. Nothing more.
I'm 100% certain this is what he was thinking about.
I felt sad seeing Vladdy like that, he looked like a kid that was about to cry over a mistake like that.
Yeah, like I feel for Vladdy, but it's funny how everyone is suddenly suggesting that we're wasting his career or something. They've gone from calling him a bust to suggesting that his talents are being wasted in the time span of several months.
This team's contention window has only started to open. We're sure to improve as prospects graduate, younger players improve, and we're able to acquire good players (by trade or free agency). If you were to add two solid relievers and a middle-of-the-rotation starter to this team, we're good. Wish some of the media/fans weren't so doom-and-gloom about the situation we're in.
Also there's something to be said for a generational talent battling through some hardships with a tight knit team rather than him, say, playing for LA or Houston or Tampa Bay, and there's an expectation to be in the playoffs year after year.
I think this is character building for Vladdy and I have no issue whatsoever with the team stumbling like they are. You can tell he loves his team and wants everyone to succeed. When they do finally make a solid run, whether it's next year or the year after, it will be even SWEETER for Vladdy and Bo and co.
Agreed. We're in a fortunate situation here.
Our core pieces, for the most part, are finally firing on all cylinders. And they get to build character and mature through the disappointing losses in a season where we'd be considered a fringe contender at the start of our contention window. While I'd love for the bullpen to not lose us the perfectly winnable games, we're not doing all that much worse than what the expectations were this early in our contention window.
The most important part is that the team has a bright future. We have an enviable core, one of the top 3 farm systems in baseball, and the financial flexibility (especially once we're playing in Toronto again) to add some solid players in free agency. So, it's really baffling to see people act like the situation is bleak here.
I don't think the situation is bleak, but it's definitely frustrating to watch. Like you said, the team has come into its own this year, and has proven just how talented and potent the lineup can really be. Seeing all that effort wasted due to a decimated bullpen and losing very winnable games to division rivals is maddening, to say the least. I think the future is bright, but this is a painful experience for the fanbase.
I think its hard to call it an error (especially when he got back safely and was called out anyway). The contact play was on. I think he did the right thing. Unfortunately it was right at the pitcher. Painful to watch none the less. ￼
He should have been freezing on contact. There's no question he was too quick on the trigger which, ya, is probably more adrenaline and reaction than a typical mental error.
The team didn’t really do anything wrong. The bats didn’t give enough and the umps were shit.
Stripling pitched a quality start with 2 ER/3 R in 6.2 inning and for once the bullpen shut the door after that.
Doesn’t change the fact we need bullpen help but this loss doesn’t really follow the recent reasons of losing.
What did we do to the baseball gods to deserve this. Just straight up pain.
He made a mistake on the basepaths, and yes it may have cost the team the tying run.
He took it hard, as he should.
But it is a teachable moment for a great player, baseball is more than hitting. I’m certain he got the message and will move on and up.
i keep thinking about that story that last year Vladdy came and apologized to the team for underperforming. it makes me so sad. like the guy is trying the absolute MOST out of everyone on the team, but he can't singlehandedly get them the win. everybody better be nice to him >:(
Luck simply wasn't on our side. Hasn't been for a while in fact. It turn around eventually.
Luck is rarely on your side when the Yankees are on the other side. Yankee magic prevails.
I think this is probably something like what Bonds must have felt like playing for the Giants in the early 2000s. Best hitter in baseball and it still isn’t enough.
Or Mike Trout for his entire ten year career.
I'd say Auston Matthews, but he disappeared in this year's playoffs.
who tf is that?
This is unrelated to the Blue Jays. Go to r/torontomapleleafs for hockey talk.
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Or Joey Votto for his entire career
Seeing a sad Vladdy really tugs at the heartstrings! That dude is just a joy to watch. Hopefully the frustration is short lived and we can get back to the happy go lucky squad we've been enjoying. Seeing Baltimore, Miami and Seattle for the next couple weeks should help!
Man every loss lately seems like it just gets to him, he knows how well he is playing and it still isn't going the teams way. It has got to be hard to do everything you thought you were capable of and still not win. I love this guy so much, I hope when they get back to TO we give him every ounce of the love he deserves. This one probably hits him a little harder because he is blaming himself for that out at third, but he didn't really do anything wrong on that play. Pitchers catching the ball is uncommon, an out would have been made anyways and the game probably still lost.
Could argue he should have waited to break until its past the pitcher, but thats just nit picky.
That isn't nit picky, it is what he should have done. You don't break for home until it gets past the pitcher.
He screwed up.
He was told to run on contact
You run on contact once you know it's past the pitcher.
It's basic base running rules. If the batter topped one and it went 2 feet in front of home, running home directly to the ball would also be a bad play. If the batter hit a line drive at the 2nd baseman for an out, running home would also be a bad play. There are basic rules that you have to follow, even with "run on contact" as the play.
That's not what run on contact means. If they had the contact play on, he did exactly what he was supposed to. If they didn't have the contact play on, then he did not. Run on contact is exactly that, it's not "wait and see what happens", it's run on contact.
So if it was a fly ball, he is supposed to ignore that and "run on contact"? You know that isn't right. Run on contact means if it is hit to the infield, run. But there are basic rules such as don't run on infield line drives or balls that don't get past the pitcher.
Most mlb hitters and regular people even would have the common sense to notice the pop up or fly ball, and these guys have developed for so long they have this special ability to stop running, and run backwards! It's truly amazing.
And if you run on contact and it's a 100mph hit line drive that's caught by an infielder then thats just some bad luck and that's baseball lol
Run on contact means if the hitter makes contact you go. Period. If that contact turns out to be a fly ball, you can stop going and tag up. But the whole point of the contact play is no hesitation. Put pressure on the defense to make a play. In this particular case Chapman made the play. He threw home to force Vladdy back to third and they caught him too far down the line to get back to third safely. I happen to think he was safe, but the ump was closer to the play and the replay didn't overturn it.
The real issue(s) on this play are: 1) was the contact play on? 2) if so, was that the right play?
If the answer is no on the first issue, then Vladdy fucked up. If the answer is yes on the first one then Vladdy did what he was told, and we can question the logic of running the contact play in that situation.
It made no difference, we got no hit.
Actually, it does make a difference because if he doesn't get caught out, then Chapman has to throw to first and there is still a tying run 90 feet away, in case there is a passed ball.
While the ump did blow the call, guess what happened the very next batter...
All y'all panicking like were the Orioles right now. We're still hovering around .500 with the worst bullpen in the league and slightly above average pitching. I'll start freaking out if we don't make moves to improve our pitching before the deadline but otherwise just hang tight. If its not this year its next year, this team is young
Yea I don't get it either. The age of this team and around .500 with all the injuries season can easily turn around this year. Have years ahead of what should be contending teams
The front office brought in guys with a view to winning (Semien, Springer on the wrong side of 30). They clearly thought we were competitive now. They were wrong.
I find it weird that there are so many people like you who are so cavalier about losing for years and years.
Pain makes pleasure even better.
Try being Mike trout
if half our relivers weren't MIA we might be second in the division.....
Does anyone have video of the “tag” from last night? I can’t seem to find one. The front angle from the 1st base camera looked like he avoided the glove
Learning experience for our GOaT
"We can't do this to the best young player in the game!"??
Strange take at the end there, as he was obviously sitting there reflecting because he was upset at himself for his base running error. Essentially costing his team the game just like he's watched some of the relievers do recently.
Not trying to crap on him, or the bullpen to be honest. But that said, I think Vlad's mistake last night was almost worse, because it was a fundamental level brain fart, rather than just poor pitch execution, which happens every single game at one point or another.
Aight, so, love Vladdy and all but let's not encourage this narrative of doing better for him. Like this ain't basketball - look at Mike Trout - he doesn't act like a primadonna. Shatkins knows about the window.
Maybe a little dramatic