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The scene at the gynecologists office…

The scene at the gynecologists office…

plo84

She was given pills to start an abortion. The reason he probably looked sad was because they weren't agreeing on that decision. By the end, she looked insecure and sad too, meaning she probably wanted to keep the baby as well.


duryycext

Yeah she comes off as kind of cold when she’s waiting for the doctor and he’s emotional but in the end you realize that she’s trying to be strong for both of them. Heartbreaking.


Monolith0428

As she says later in the second episode she didn't want to have another child because she would be "stuck" with him. It was obvious he really wanted the child but could tell she didn't so he just swallowed his sadness so as to not make Mira feel any guilt. I think she convinced herself and him that the abortion was the best thing for them but in reality she was already looking for an exit. It made me sick when she came home from a "business trip" and gives her husband 12 hours notice that she is leaving him for another man and oh by the way she is leaving in the morning for 3 months. I've seen the original so I know he won't lawyer up and divorce Mira and sue for full custody, which he could easily get because she just abandoned her family and her child to go be with her lover for 3 months. All under the disguise of "buying his startup". It's just gross when people are this dishonest. Everything was just disgusting, from the fact she was having sex with her husband again because she was having an affair to her poly friends who go on and on about honesty in episode 1 but hide Mira's affair from Jonathan for months. If she was so unhappy she could just leave instead of destroying your husband and having your 4 year old wonder where you've gone for 3 months. I was really disgusted when Mira defends one of her horrible choices by saying "men do it all the time", which struck me as a gross misuse of a feminist talking point about double standards. Having said all that Chastain and Issac have incredible chemistry and are at the top of their craft. However just switching the genders from the original and updating it by throwing in a poly couple doesn't seem like enough reason to remake this Bergman classic. Granted I haven't seen all 5 episodes but so far I haven't seen anything new that Bergman didn't do, and do better 50 years ago.


CicadaProfessional76

But I don’t feel empathy for them. I feel disgusted by them. They’re adults for Christ sake. Husband needs to a grow a pair, too. Of course she’s sad and ashamed. She should.


duryycext

I do agree with you on that point... The husband seems pretty weak and so she has to be the "man" in the relationship.


CicadaProfessional76

I mean if they’re both not ashamed, they’re sociopaths. They just voluntarily killed their child.


Fmanow

I’m all for pro choice 100%, but this was a total selfish move. They just aborted their baby because they rather pursue their bullshit careers than give their child a sibling. But the shame part has more to do with their means to be able to raise a baby and they chose to terminate it for 100% selfish reasons.


CicadaProfessional76

I think they didn’t want to go through the tough years 0-3 raising the kid in addition to the fact that there’s something missing between them in their relationship. I’m hoping the abortion isn’t the catalyst of the devolution to come but rather a symptom of an already existing problem between them


Extension_Repeat

Am I totally confused? Didn't they mention that she had severe post-partum depression after their daughter was born? If so, that kind of depression gets worse with every pregnancy and childbirth. Oftentimes, it turns into psychosis. However, knowing this would certainly be critical considering birth control, imo. Apologies if I misunderstood...


F00dbAby

She totally mentioned serious post partum depression


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Ok-Telephone1773

Oh, so its ok to cheat on your husband?


pookie1203

Yes. She was a bitch


plo84

Totally not what I said and you seem to miss the point of the whole scene.


LanguageResident

Here’s the thing, it’s up to the person carrying the fetus to determine if they want to go through with it and whatever reason they choose is a valid one, rather we like it or not. Also unwanted children can sense when they are unwanted and seeing how Mira would have felt trap, it was likely for the best.


Ms-Tenenbaum

“Medical” abortions are done by taking medication only. They can be done in early pregnancy and do not involve any surgical procedure. It’s a several step process and she was starting the initial medication.


Ok-Telephone1773

Its not as easy as it sounds or looks on TV. The amount of bleeding you have will scare the crap out of you. The nausea,vomiting and diarrhea is extremely unpleasant. The cramps are EXTREMELY painful


fnord_happy

It's still much better than the alternative. And better than other forms of abortion. And if it's done early enough, it is less painful. Still traumatic ofc


Ms-Tenenbaum

Completely agree.


Ms-Tenenbaum

I’ve had a medical abortion so I’m aware of what the experience is. Honestly, the cramping did not seem much worse than cramping I’ve had subsequent to that with painful periods.


93yourcultleader93

Wow….lots of anti abortion sentiment. It’s kind of creepy hearing that side of it. The fact that you haven’t experienced going through this is almost comical that you even have an opinion, especially one that seems like you know what it’s like to choose, as the woman or as the man that goes through it with his SO. I have been with a woman that took the pills to have an abortion. The people that go through this as a couple feel all kinds of feelings and none of them are as simple as some of you are making.


IfYouSeeThisTomaAqua

Yup based on some of these comments on this, even with a show like this, Reddit still be Reddit (cesspool of misogyny and inceIs)…


Fmanow

Are ok dude. Did you even read my post. I wasn’t even sure if they were getting an abortion.


93yourcultleader93

It wasn’t directed at you. I didn’t want to jump down one persons throat when there were more than one comment here that it was directed at. I would have said OP if I were referencing you. I understand maybe not knowing. I knew what they were doing.


fnord_happy

How was it not obvious


Fmanow

Because not all us wear smart pants the way you do.


SteelBloodNinja

Because in the scene directly prior, they had both agreed to keep the baby. It was clear the woman was unsure and was hoping for something to latch onto. The guy wanted to keep it. And then we totally skip the scene where she changes her mind and tells her husband, and they're both trying to act cool in the doctors office. I honestly thought in the last scene of ep 1 she was crying because she was deeply unsatisfied and unsure and was only keeping the baby because her husband wanted it and didn't want to vocalize her internal conflicts while he was with her. The doctor told her to stop taking old medication and to get new birth control like a copper IUD but I thought those were things for her to consider after she gave birth. I haven't seen ep 2 yet but I thought they were gonna have the baby and it was gunna put additional strain on all their other problems. Guess not.


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luuvin

>In mammals the male IS ALWAYS THE PROVIDER. This is verifiably false: African lions, spotted hyenas, orcas, ring-tailed lemurs, and even bonobos are all predominantly female-led mammal groups. I'm not even going to address your other "points" because they're disgusting.


Ok-Telephone1773

The only truth in what you say is that SHE acts like a Bonobo


duckboobs

You need some help.


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LanguageResident

That’s not true. According to the second episode the affair began AFTER the abortion. She mentions he was angry and that they couldn’t talk about it


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Ok-Telephone1773

EXACTLY BARNEY!


Aslan808

The time gap between scenes is unsettling and so effective dramatically. What I love about episode 2 is that the show is NOT asking the question of 'who here is morally right'? Mira clearly has the moral low-ground but the real question is 'can you relate to her?'. And as much as people may not admit it.. they would love the opportunity to be as selfish as Mira. In a capitalist system the one with the $ has all the options right? Companies thrive on greed and opportunism. They are not 'faithful' to those who support them. Mira is simply acting within a system as someone would who "doesn't seek the approval of others".


Ok-Telephone1773

CMON. Capitalism? The system? Cant you just enjoy the show?


Aslan808

Thinking about the show in a larger sense actually makes it MORE enjoyable to me. If there's no deeper themes we are just watching a well done soap opera. Mira sees herself as deserving 'more' than just a loving attentive husband, adorable kid and nice house. Her needing more is wrapped up with her career success. She wants to acquire 'passion' the same way her company is aquiring a start-up... Is that a reach?


Ok-Telephone1773

YES,Correct