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Dumb question but can someone ELI5 Critical race theory. I keep finding articles and memes of people joking and arguing over it but no one actually explaining it. And the wiki page is a very dry read.
Critical race theory (CRT), intellectual movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans.
Funny how often militant Republicans obsessed with removing ballot boxes from poor ethnically diverse areas would hate this.
Surely it is just a coincidence.
Pick some phenotypical feature: eye color, hair color, height, foot size, etc. Now attach great importance to it.
Wow, you have really big feet! Here, have a cushy job, marry my daughter, don't worry about that crime you committed, we'll get you out of it, just flash those wonderfully huge feet to the Judge!
Oh, and here's your small-footed slave; really inferior as a person, foot can't be bigger than a size seven!
[What is Critical Race Theory? - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/05/29/critical-race-theory-bans-schools/)
> Although the phrase “critical race theory” refers to an area of academic study, its common usage has diverged from its exact meaning. Conservative activists and politicians now use the term as a catchall phrase for nearly any examination of systemic racism in the present. Critical race theory is often portrayed as the basis of race-conscious policies, diversity trainings and education about racism, regardless of how much the academic concept actually affects those efforts.
This is the most important part of the article. While there are parts of CRT that are questionable and deserve criticism, the GOP and others are trying to attach “racism and slavery bad” to it.
They're really afraid of how an examination of what was considered White will just show an inherent hatred of immigrants. The core of the GOP these days is old white people. Having it revealed that Italians, Polish, Slavs, and other Eastern Europeans we consider "White" now were heavily discriminated against by other Whites and not considered White will create ugly schisms in their core base and show it to be an entirely artificial construct with no actual binding ties. And that's before we get to how they treated people we don't consider White now.
Nah, they’ll just use that to argue that they aren’t prejudiced against Polish/Irish/etc anymore, see, we’re past all that now.
That's a naive view. Two examples: a republican who happens to be Hispanic winning the election for mayor in an 85% Hispanic town. And remind me, how did Trump do with hispanics again
white fragility should have a rendition that goes more along the lines of "white liberals need to stop thinking that minorities are helpless" https://www-newsweek-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newsweek.com/republican-wins-mayoral-race-85-latino-texas-town-where-hillary-clinton-won-40-points-1598154?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16238682174653&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Frepublican-wins-mayoral-race-85-latino-texas-town-where-hillary-clinton-won-40-points-1598154
>a republican who happens to be Hispanic winning the election for mayor in an 85% Hispanic town.
Um......how is this supposed to be indictive of the national party? Second, he barely won in a race between two hispanic candidates?
Second, the Republican, in a non-partisan race [explicitly noted that the city should not have a role in the border issues](https://www.borderreport.com/politics/elections/mcallen-mayoral-candidates-weigh-in-on-immigration-influx-during-debate/) that Republicans typically ham up their rampant racism to. Again, how is this supposed to be indictive of the national party?
>And remind me, how did Trump do with hispanics again
Terribly. Less terribly than before but still utterly garbage.
Remind me how Bush did with these same voters and then compare to Trump.
>"white liberals need to stop thinking that minorities are helpless"
What does this have to do with the historical fact that people we consider white now were heavily discriminated against as non-white in the past?
>Trump got the over 40% in a Texas and Florida, and over 30% in every other state aside from California.
[**This is false.**](https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2020-presidential-election)
Trump got the over 40% in a Texas and Florida, and over 30% in every other state aside from California. Describing the GOP as old and white is ignorant.
Not arguing but just curious, what percentage of voters are older and white in those 30 percent States?
That's the percent of Hispanic votes for Trump in those states. Idk the residential percentage of old white people in most States but in Florida I hear it's a lot.
Race is made up, it's imposed by a system designed to perpetuate unequal power. Understanding history requires recognizing that People are affected by existing in this system. Ie words have meaning actions have consequences, truth matters.
Super simplified... "Be critical of how race (and race relations) affects our daily lives".
You know what I like? When Trump trash tries to argue with you about critical race theory. I’m just not gonna do it anymore. These losers do not deserve my time. You are racist, nothing more, nothing less and we see you.
I've only had one do it. Tripped them up with "why don't you tell me what it is?" All of a sudden we're not going to talk about this anymore because I'm a brainwashed liberal.
I don’t even get that far. I block them. They are literally the Nazis of our country. No decent person in this country wants anything to do with them.
They need to be ignored and left in the trash. Throughout history we have had groups similar to conservatives. If we would have listen to them we still would be in the caves.
The same people who want statues of Confederates intact because "history and heritage".
A lot of which were erected in the last half century thanks to the efforts of The United Daughters of the Confederacy in order to send a big middle finger to the Civil rights act. The "heritage, not hate" garbage came from this shitty organization who praised the KKK and ascribe to wonderful concepts like the lost cause myth and white supremacy.
I've come to the conclusion that the 'we must preserve history' crowd doesn't actually know or care about history. They believe American mythology is fact and *that's* the "history" they want to preserve.
>They believe American mythology is fact
They believe that the Hollywood version of The Wild West was real and the most peaceful time in those town's history so they can justify openly carrying guns.
Probably why they're such John Wayne wannabes.
Anyone who dosent learn from history is doomed to repeat it and nazies are evil. Full stop. Chew on that merica.
What the fuck is a "nazie"?
That moment when the country that defeated the nazis get called nazis by unemployed teenagers
Logic? In MY conservatism? I dont think so!
they do this deliberately. everything conservatives say is projection. every accusation is a confession. because they think everyone is depraved as they are and would do the same as them.
they will accuse you of rewriting history while they try to rewrite history. they will accuse you of violence and lawlessness and then attack the capital. they will accuse you of getting all your info from one cable news channel because that's what they do. they will accuse you of wanting big government and then try to regulate your genitals. they will promote misinformation and accuse you of not having facts. they will promote pseudoscience about race and gender and accuse you of bad science. they will accuse you of not having values and then vote for sex traffickers like Matt gatez. they will accuse you of corruption and then try to loot the treasury. they will accuse you of lying while lying to your face. they will accuse you of cheating every time they cheat. they will try to burn down every norm, tradition, rule, law and institution that gets in their way and then they will accuse you of being radical. they will create giant budget deficits and accuse you of being fiscally irresponsible. they will accuse you of being weak on crime and then elect criminals. they will accuse you of being weak on foreign policy and then repeat talking points straight from RT news and praise putin. they will accuse you of being racist and then do a racism.
i could keep going. one day we are going to find out that Trump was born in keyna and he had a fake birth certificate. this is all a bad faith scheme to muddy the waters and devalue the language that we use to criticize them.
You must be new 'round here if you're expecting logic or consistency from "right" whingers.
Ye left wingers have total consistency being pro Islam and pro gay lol
Not the best analogy since it’s a socio based theory has opposed to an objective fact
It’s a socio-based theory based off of a legal study about the entirety of historical facts about race being integrated into the lens that we view contemporary American socioeconomic structures. The only thing theoretical about it is the proposition that we should educate about the intersectionality of race with our society at every level as we currently do not which is why a good portion of our population knows fuck all about events like the Tulsa Race Massacre and thinks the Civil War was strictly fought over states rights even though numerous documents show that the rights fought over were those rights to own human beings as property.
I studied it in undergrad for its impact of judges, law school never touched on it though - I’m attuned to what it is - but it’s still a bad comparison from objectionable facts to socio theory
Wait, who is this referring to saying facts don't care about feelings?
I think it’s basically the idea that America and White people are bad, all minorities (including myself) are victims, the solution is revenge.
Then what you “think” is wrong. That’s not it at all. Definitions are above of you care to read and no acts of violence have been given or implied.
Would you agree that oppression is violence?
Contextualize your definition of oppression? Is requiring individuals to wear masks inside to protect others from a deadly pandemic “oppression” to you? Sorry but this needs to be asked nowadays.
Creating laws designed to discriminate based on skin pigmentation
Give me an example of what you call discrimination? Am I discriminating if I’m addressing a structural deficit that gives another codified race a distinct advantage which has resulted in the actual systemic oppression of other races?
I think the idea that the system itself is racist will lead to oppression. Of course, my main objection to critical race theory is that the system is inherently racist, America has a racist past, the only amelioration is more racism. The Wikipedia article will even tell you that critical race theory seeks to elevate the importance of racial identity over civil rights.
United States was not founded for the purpose of preserving slavery. It was not even founded on racist ideals. However, as Fredrick Douglas wrote, the promissory note was not fulfilled. The system is not racist, it simply didn’t apply to everyone so we won a war to ensure it did.
To answer your question, the very ideas behind critical race theory are not what we should be teaching our kids because they perpetuate racism in both the public and private sector. In the private sector there is the very obvious example of aid being distributed to farmers based on the amount of pigment in their skin. I doubt this will be the last law of its kind. The current administration is also interesting in that it represents a sort of middle ground, given the current Vice President has raised funds to bail criminal offenders out of jail. I suppose, riots are the language of the oppressed or something. In the private sector, you have large tech companies like Uber and door dash giving free publicity and discounts based on the skin color of the owners.
It is interesting to me that at least 4 people would disagree with the statement that oppression is inherently violent. Is this what critical race theory aims to achieve?
The Wikipedia article isn’t canon by far and partial regurgitation of it doesn’t address the full breadth of what critical race theory exemplifies not only in concept but implementation. The system IS inherently racist as exhibited on every level of our society from redlining of housing to underfunding of schools in minority areas to flooding black communities with crack to healthcare disparities exacerbated in a global pandemic. As far as acknowledging it bringing oppression it’s obvious from these aforementioned issues that the oppression is already here and has been since the original genocidal expansion of this country west using revenue generated from slave labor. To refuse to recognize the long term inter generational trauma as well as economic, educational, and social repercussions of this reality is nothing more than disingenuous gaslighting.
Again, the system isn’t racist. Injustice today won’t be solved by injustice tomorrow. Teaching children that they are victims is not how we build a better country.
Edit: you never answered my question
I see you keep avoiding how America was founded and the inherent advantage it gave to some while literally oppressing others all via the system of government in the form of slavery, Jim Crow, and the disproportionate application of violence against people of color by law enforcement. All documents. Simply saying something isn’t doesn’t make it not be as much as you might try. This is why critical race theory must be taught. You obviously have an agenda to suppress the true history of the United States.
Why do you think that?
The aim of the far left is drag everyone down to the same low level
That's what racists are saying so you feel that you're one of the ones being criticized.
Critical race theory- whiteness is inherently racist
CRT- you’re racist
Yes, that's what racists are pretending it is so they can play victim.
So you don’t think white people are inherently racist?