T O P

<Cough cough>

SharBased

I mean we do know what smoking and drinking will do to you though. So though you may not like what people say with that it's 100% true. We have no idea the long-term effects of this vaccine. And I'm somebody that got vaccinated.


FinancialTea4

You understand that these aren't the first vaccines, right?


SharBased

You understand what an unknown risk is right?


FinancialTea4

What part is unknown? What could possibly happen. Please explain this "unknown risk". Are we all going to turn into flying frogs? Is my blood going to turn into ketchup? What exactly is *unknown*?


SharBased

Are you serious? Are you just now learning medicine has long term side effects?


FinancialTea4

Medicine or vaccines? Maybe we could pick a subject and stick to it?


SharBased

Both. Tell me what are the long term side effects of the vaccine?


FinancialTea4

Tell me what is unknown. What are these risks, fear monger? Support your claims.


SharBased

That's...my...point It's unknown. How is this difficult for you to get?


FinancialTea4

It's not unknown. Vaccines are not new. We know the risks and they're negligible. What part of that is difficult for you?


ic2ofu

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.


SharBased

I'm sorry are you trying to say we don't know what the effects of smoking and drinking are? Because we clearly do


DMan9797

I think they are commenting on how your wording suggests a whimsical well we don’t know what the long term effects are and it almost makes it seem like a 50/50 proposition of it turning out alright or hurting us all who got vaccinated. When in reality the overwhelming probability is that it turns out fine and there really is no scientific argument to suggest otherwise. So essentially why make this “2 sides” argument when we really have no reason to think the “bad” outcome will happen or it’s probability is statistically significant yet. I’m probably over reading into your comment but i think I’m tackling some thinking that underlies some peoples thoughts on vaccinations. Idk


SharBased

They're 100% is a scientific argument that we don't know at the long-term effects are therefore they could be bad. You cannot scientifically prove what the long-term effects are. There hasn't been a study. Because there hasn't been enough time. I don't know where you got that concept maybe you just don't understand science?


DMan9797

You’re saying there’s a 100% chance of two outcomes, good or bad. I agree with that. I’m just expressing that you are presenting it as a coin flip of probability when I don’t think that’s the case whatsoever. If the bad outcome’s probability is insignificant why would I actively consider it? I acknowledge the bad outcome exists and could happen but it likely won’t. So I won’t consider it. I could get hit by lightning on my afternoon walk but I don’t really mention it when I consider the pros and cons of going for a walk. Why would I? I know that’s hyperbole but it gives a general idea I think it’s important to investigate the bad outcome and scientists should work to disprove my claim the bad outcome isn’t likely to occur. And if they do, I’ll change my thinking


SharBased

Okay and my point is that right now we don't understand what that probability is. That's literally all I'm saying. It is an unknown risk


DMan9797

That’s fair enough to me! Legit every new thing invented and consumed has that same unknown risk I suppose


SharBased

That's literally what I'm saying


DMan9797

Just seems like this becomes a thing more with the covid vaccine than the new mt dew flavor whose long term effects we don’t fully know yet either


czyzyS

Yes, and someone who drinks and smokes in SPITE of the the KNOWN long terms effects is going to care about the (likely much less harmful) long-term effects of the vaccine. SMH


SharBased

Again, known risk vs unknown risk...not hard to understand.


czyzyS

And it's not hard to understand that vaccine science has improved over the decades and for most of us, we recognize that the risk is minimal compared to the benefits... not hard to understand Please don't go outside today, you might get struck by lightning... there's definitely a chance that could happen


SharBased

Again...I know the chance of being struck by lightning.... I don't know the chance of long term effects.you keep trying and failing lmao


czyzyS

Dude, you really are sad... cocking around like some kind of pigeon on a chessboard like you've won something. With your logic, no one should ever do or use anything where the risk is not explicitly known. And no, you don't know the chance that you'll be hit by lightning other than that it's miniscule. Now go google the chance of that so you can come back and tell us all what it is, pretending like you knew what it was all along.


ic2ofu

Obviously, we know about smoking and drinking. However, we don't know how long it takes to kill you after you get the vaccine. I myself have survived 9 months so far and I have had no signs of dying so far. I know people who have been vaccinated longer than me, and so far, none of them have died. So,how long do YOU think we have left to live? Please enlighten us with your vast knowledge of vaccines.


SharBased

You do realize that there's long-term effects right? That people that got the first polio vaccine had effects long after they got the vaccine. Like this isn't a scientific New concept it's very well known that we have no idea the long-term effects of this vaccine because there's not been a single study done on the long-term effects as there has not been enough time. And at no point did I say that the vaccine will kill you where did you get that from?


czyzyS

You do realize that vaccine science has improved since the first polio vaccine? That many vaccines including the new Novavax COVID vaccine is spike-protein based and not RNA based and is much less likely to cause severe long-term problems?


SharBased

So you say much less likely. That means that there is a chance. And since there hasn't been a study on just how much of a chance there is.... Are you seeing my point? This isn't hard. There is no long-term study on covid vaccine effects. Fact.


czyzyS

There's a chance that every single day I drive that I will die in a head on collision. I accept the minute risk and drive anyway... I see your point... at the top of your head


SharBased

You do realize we know what that chance is right? Because the done studies.... 🤣


czyzyS

We do know what they are... and that you're meantioning THAT means you may have missed the irony/sarcasm of this meme entirely (hence the Dumb, Dumb Dumb)


SharBased

No the meme is about how they will put that stuff in their body but not the vaccine. It's dumb Because you are comparing a known risk to an unknown risk.


czyzyS

I'll bet you my retirement account the COVID vaccines will have significantly fewer long-term harmful effects than smoking or alcoholism. And I'll take your word on the "dumb" comment because you clearly are an expert in that area


SharBased

What we would have to wait for a long-term study. Considering there isn't one right? Everything I said has been a fact. I'm sorry that you don't like facts.