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Dear Diary: Today I took a stand for what's right

Dear Diary: Today I took a stand for what's right

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cyberentomology

They’ve gotten rid of in-pavement sensor loops around here. Now it’s all machine vision systems.


failingtolurk

Same in central Texas.


cyberentomology

It’s more accurate, and doesn’t require redoing it every time you redo the pavement.


acog

Hopefully it works for motorcycles. Back when I had a bike, some of the in-ground sensors wouldn't recognize my presence. I had to either wait for a car or run the light. Frustrating.


LookItVal

where im from if you are on a motorcycle it's legal to run red lights if they won't change, as long as you yeild to everyone else on the road (which is fine cause usually the only time it doesnt change is where there's almost no one else on the road already) and i think thats true in many States across the US. ive only ever had to do it once tho, most of the lights where im from do recognize bikes


Throwawaymytrash77

For most anywhere in the US, if the lights don't function correctly after a while then the intersection is suppose to function like a stop sign.


LookItVal

this is true but it is expressed explicitly for motorcyclists in many state laws, im sure so theres no ambiguity from a cop being like "well the light changed fine for me"


Throwawaymytrash77

That is interesting. Thanks for teaching me!


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Gisch03

My father ended up with a ticket from a cop who said exactly that, in a state with that protection. Cop decided, without even being somewhere that he could’ve seen my dad, that my dad didn’t wait long enough first. Ended up getting tossed because the cop didn’t show to court when my dad faught it.


mangobattlefruit

Where the hell is that? I am in NY state, and I would bet we wouldn't get that for another 500 years. I was just thinking about that the other day. Traffic lights are so fucking useless, they need Xbox like Kinect cameras on them AND along the road near the traffic light so the traffic light "system" can actually change depending on when actual cars are there.


RiKoNnEcT

If even we had something designed to make cars go by an intersection without the need of technology. Like something circular that cars could go around and merge in and out without barely stopping Maybe one day somebody will create something like that


Potato_Lorde

What a roundabout way of thinking.


Butteritto

Ah, still can't put my my finger on it


shootwhatsmyname

Huh, maybe try putting your toe on it


billygrippo

I yeild my time back to you


SurveySean

Circles are complicated and scare people. I worked as a surveyor helping construct them. I remember the angry letters the engineers would get! The blood of dead people will be in YOUR hands! Crazy people! They are the best and so much safer, even if collisions occur they are slower and more angular. The best thing is they don’t need electricity or computers to run!


riotwire

But circles require people to use their brains and they're vehemently opposed to having to think.


cdnpunisher

Frankly I'd rather some didn't use their brains. That scares me.


emdave

The people who can't understand how to use a roundabout, are the same people who blow through red lights whilst texting anyway, so designing road systems around their wishes probably isn't the best idea...


Roolerk

Peoples brains atrophying as a result of non-use is objectively worse though


mdp300

There's a circle in my town. It's been there since like the 50s. There used to be an accident there nearly every day. They rebuilt it 15-ish years ago to be easier to use, but idiots still have no idea what they're doing.


nannal

Assume you have right of way, cross any and all lanes. it's not difficult.


Voidroy

People dont know what yield is. so when they see a car comming around they assume it is going to get off before them so they dont even stop and ive seen plenty of people hit eachother going in. Or people stop anyways when no one is there.


whiteflour1888

I lived in a place that had a traffic circle since the road was built for WW2. There was routinely 1000s of tourists every year making the holy trek to Alaska. Even though a lot of people were confused by the circle there were hardly ever any accidents.


razz13

I have a memory burned into my brain about circles. Near my old house was a seriously shit intersection a throw back to when the town was first built and road rules probably werent a big thing. Theyd made the right of way all fucked, it was too small, all in all, 2/10, would not recommend. They FINALY decided enough was enough, and ripped it out and put a circle in. This intersection was such a town sore point that there was a little news thing on it where they asked locals what they thought. Queue the bogan that just happened to be wandering past "Nah, people are gonna do donuts on it aye, they're gonna tear it up... this shit isnt gonna last...." His 15 seconds of fame of sheer complete stupidity around something as cut and dry as making an intersection better in every way is seared into my brain apparently for all eternity


spacelama

Slower and more angular? You're forgetting to account for [the idiots](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIMqF7nT5xU).


bluesqueblack

What do you mean no electricity is needed? Have you seen how much power is needed to dial the Pegasus Galaxy?


hephaystus

[Are Americans ready for this kind of future tech?](https://youtu.be/bDaQZUzJCNM)


chickwala

*laughs hysterically in Milton Keynes* My home town in UK is known for its roundabouts, you see...where everyone merely adopted roundabouts, I was moulded by them, raised around them. No circle can scare me.


godmasterchampion

Just looked it up on Google maps. Holy crap you're not kidding. I couldn't count it's like every intersection.


snooggums

New things plus absolutely zero signs to let them know means they are going to get it wrong, but holey hell what the fuck are those people thinking.


ja-honnnredcorn

We got them in my town and they work really well. Way better than stop signs and traffic lights. Just older people having trouble with it.


sanujas

I am in Canada and even here sometimes people get confused. We have Queen of England as our head of state but majory of people here can't drive on traffic circles (roundabout). Almost all other English speaking countries have those for decades. 😂


Dinga_Ding

Until they themselves become so large, convoluted and congested, that someone decides it need traffic lights to flow smoothly...


stmstr

https://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2017/04/Magic-Roundabout3.jpg You want to see the final boss of roundabouts? There ya go. It even has a [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_%28Swindon%29)


Lebenmonch

https://youtu.be/Lsvhg3FjXXY


Treatz_QW

these folks cant stop on the line. What makes you think they are going to see signs for roundabouts? Roundabouts with this type of individual are literally more dangerous.


angryclam1313

Nope nooooooo no. Google St. Albert in Alberta. We have that system and EVERYONE complains about it. Nothing like getting 10 red lights in a row to get your blood boiling.


mattd121794

It’s worse on a bike. I can’t set some of these sensors off. Had to blow a red because it refused to recognize that I was in the turn lane. Idk if the machine vision systems would even help.


SilentBob890

I put two large magnets under my bike to create a larger magnetic field and it helped! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0181LX5Q0?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details


Mitrovarr

I really really hate these things as a cyclist. Actually, as a pedestrian, too. They always are combined with those goddamned systems where you have to push a button to get a walk signal, so there is an absolute guarantee you will NEVER get to cross without having to wait, and you can have to wait through two cycles if you arrive during what should be your green light.


thirdsin

Does snow cause issues?


Ziginox

Weirdly enough, my area has NEVER had the induction loops. It's been machine vision for as long as I can remember. (So, back to the very early 2000s at least)


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Scrollchamp

I thought he was going to try and start an impromptu drag race.


iWr4tH

I've seen entirely too much fast and furious.


MaxMan386

Same running around shooting people out of my tank on a ice sueface running away from a submarine


NerdWithWit

I heard the next one takes place on the surface of Mars. The storyline has really gotten out of control.


RoastedPepperz

Because family


usernamesarehard1979

Fambly.


NubbTugger

You don't need oxygen when you've got family!!!


TigaSharkJB91

That's just a Tuesday for some of us.


Ubiquitous_ounce99

That when a bald man stands at the start line The cars are gonna race to death


deaglekitty

I haven’t even seen fast and furious and I thought he was gonna start a race! Watched grease too many times.......


iWr4tH

Underrated racing movie lol.


deaglekitty

GREASE LIGHTENIN!!!!!!! ⚡️


Tykillacool

Tell me why they actually moved up too 😂


[deleted]

He has very commanding wrists


milk4all

It’s not your fault; the world has given us entirely too much Fast and Furious


dhoffnun

Yeah I expected this to be a dude-goes-full-Ridge-Racer-chick-in-traffic meme... I suppose it still could be with the right sound effects


Nightmare_Ives

I was waiting for dude to remove his shirt and start waving it over his head. I then wanted to see the mom cars tear off from the light in traction control-strangled de-tuned peel outs, with the next two behind at the light pulling up to the crosswalk line. Pedestrians on the sidewalk cheering on their favorites. That kind of thing. I was disappointed.


Sweaty-Bumblebee4055

Same totally thought 2 mid sized suvs we’re gonna get down


JxC24

I know! I got excited for nothing.


goldcomplex86

How many cycles did they sit through before this guy finally did that?


BellaBPearl

I sat through 4 cycles once because the person in front of me was too far back. Sheriff behind me got out of his car and went and knocked on their window and told them to move forward. Triggered the green almost immediately.


Melssenator

I don’t understand how people can sit through even one extra cycle and not think “hmm, maybe I should move up to where I’m *supposed* to be”


Xyore

Not many people know about that system. It's easier to assume that it's either automatic or it uses cameras. Hell, I've been driving for almost 10 years and I only recently learned about that.


Luigi_Dagger

Fuck, I had to do that once. The light at the corner by where I worked only tripped when you go all the way up to the line, which people sometimes didnt do despite there being a sign right there. And I had a driving job so I went that way like 5 times a day.


persian90

I have noticed the same in most of the places in Raleigh, NC. You have to pull up close to the lane to trigger the sensor.


Purpleclone

You can see little dark lines embedded into the road, those are the magnetic strips that you need to be on top of to trigger the light.


MEatRHIT

> magnetic strips Close, they are [induction loops](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop#Vehicle_detection)


LacidOnex

Excuse me but if it's technology I don't understand then it's either magnets or black magic, I've never been wrong about that.


Kaldricus

to some people, magnets ARE black magic


platitood

Narrator: *he has*


LucasRuby

Fucking magnets, how do they work?


TheMasterKie

To this day, I still believe “magic” is just a gross mishearing of the word “magnets” I’ve seen nothing in my life that could even be described as magic except for magnets. Magnets are fucking dope


UpdootDaSnootBoop

But tires are rubber! /s


davethorg777

I lived in Raleigh for a summer. I don't think anyone there knows how to drive! But all the people were so nice haha


blairnet

Yes and yes Source: live in Raleigh


Waffles_and_Waffles

Fellow NC resident. Can confirm. Fuck Raleigh.


Kiljab

I hate those traffic lights, especially when I'm riding my bike. Many of them wont detect my bike, so i have to go over the line and give signals to the car behind me to go onto the induction-sensors. Otherwise we would stand there for an eternity. At night when nobody is on the roads im forced to run red lights. Of course i wait long enough and make sure its safe to go.


karlexceed

Some states in the US have "dead red" laws that allow you to run the light if an inductive sensor didn't detect your bike. The actual wording and conditions vary though, so look it up for your area. https://www.bikebandit.com/blog/how-dead-red-laws-let-motorcycles-run-red-lights-legally


Kid_From_Yesterday

You can also press the button for the pedestrian crossing if there is one


damadamagoyolur

>At night when nobody is on the roads im forced to run red lights I honestly cannot wait until we have smarter traffic lights, or networked autonomous cars so signals are a thing of the past. There is nothing more stupid than sitting at a light for no one because it's on a set schedule, a system just doing its thing while you're stuck in it for no reason. Sure, it's "no big deal" but at a certain point we have to reassess the bullshit we put up with on the daily simply because "that's how it's done". IMO we can and should do better. Also every time I encounter one I giggle because I think of that mini-series Paul Bettany was in about the unabomber. There's a scene where he's stuck at a light at night for no one and it's just one more bullshit thing he hates about the world and of course the solution is to BOMB IT ALL. I feel you, Ted. You're batshit, but I get it.


RaydnJames

they make an add on plate for motorcycles that will trigger the induction coil. Reviews vary wildly from what I can tell, but they're essentially just magnets to give your bike a larger field to trigger the lights


rathnar

Killing and starting my engine used to do it for me.


SueZbell

Thank you for the explanation of why he did that.


Dagonus

See, I've never seen anyone stop that far short. Normally, I see folks stopped half a car length past the line.


Mycatisinheat

Im not gonna lie... I had no clue that was how some lights worked. Woopsies.


1ndiana_Pwns

Yep. Extra fun when you realize it's the motion it detects. If you feel like you've been at a light for awhile with an in ground sensor, try creeping up another foot or two. You can sometimes trick it into thinking there are more cars waiting, so it will change sooner


lonelyWalkAlone

Wait, you guys have traffic lights with sensors? Damn!


roodeeMental

The fast and furious series just became too slow too serious


vcdrny

I usually refer the fast and furious as slow and frustrated.


supaphly42

>slow and frustrated [Title of your sex tape!](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/brooklynnine-nine/images/e/e2/Title_of_Your_Sex_Tape.gif/revision/latest?cb=20200721084037)


Farknart

9 9!


ChrisInDetroit2020

The Fast and The Furious : 4 Doors, 4 Cylinders!


Hey_Whipple

Will finally put an end to the WRX STI vs Mitsubishi Evo debate


seizer1975

Where I live, we have the opposite problem, which is cars completely disregarding the stop-line, as well as crosswalks, “don’t block the box” paint, curb-cuts, etc. It’s equally infuriating.


Th3_Hegemon

Yeah I thought I was going crazy for a minute, I almost exclusively see the opposite problem; people several feet over or fully beyond the bar, and almost never see people significantly behind it.


second_mars

One time I was riding with a friend in SoCal and she stops at a red light almost completely through the crosswalk. I gave her a lot of shit for it, but when I looked over three other cars did the same exact thing. Just a ton of terrible drivers everywhere


foxe110

I love it. What people don't get is that they need to be on the sensors for the lights to change at the right time for the amount of traffic there. Good on this man.


kausthubnarayan

“Honey! I know the pizza is getting cold but these damn traffic lights aren’t changing ffs”


foxe110

This literally happened to me. They were a good car length away from the actual stopping point for a left turn. Light never changed because they didn't move up even while honking. I had to get out of the car and explain to them that they had to be up to the line and on top of the sensor that you can see outlined in the ground. Low and behold, they move up, light changes. I get back to the car and my GF is eating the takeout pizza.


CocoCherryPop

what did they say when you told them?


foxe110

Just genuinely confused. They had no idea why the light wasn't turning. They apologized and moved up. Nothing interesting happened.


goat_puree

I got stuck behind a girl once that stopped pretty much in the crosswalk, only she was kind of psycho so I just waited it out. The sensors were between us. When the light didn't change the first time she just sat in her car screaming about it. I scooted up as far as I dared, then she'd scoot up a little, I followed. Light after light she scooted further and further into the intersection, screaming more and more, until I could finally get over the sensor in my car and we were finally able to progress.


masterjabbadad

Aaaaahhh yes. Dont understatement the number of numb nuts out there. I worked as a bookie for 20 years and it was a fucking eye opener to the "average" person.....spoiler....the vast majority of people are fucken nufties


AngelaLikesBoys

is this English?


Disastrous-Bonus1718

You are better than I. I pulled up behind a car in the left lane. Right lane had a shuttle bus that was stopped far enough back that when I pulled infront of them, I still had space to pull up to the line without crossing over it.


cliff_burtons_balls

I love the people that passive-aggressively do that instead. Catches the idiots completely off guard.


TT2JZ_Chaser

Me and my brother went for a cruise on his motorcycle one night. We pull up to a light, in the left turn lane and were the only vehicle at the whole intersection and for a good 2-3 minutes. Light stayed red for us so we said fuck it and went through. I guess the sensor wouldnt register the bike being there.


inertcrab

Definitely a thing. Some places (at the state level maybe?) actually have guidance about this very thing. “If light not registering, sit for 5 cycles, then free to blow light” or something like that.


u2020vw69

3 where I live. 0 in reality tho. If I know it’s one that doesn’t register it just becomes a stop sign.


sleutho

I used to have this happen to me at my old workplace where the light leading onto the main road would never turn because the sensor would never pick up my bike. It was right next to the local police station, which was one of the ones that flew the thin blue line flag and we're generally way to aggressive about things, so I would just hop off my bike and walk over and hit the cross walk button. I didn't really trust them to know the motorcycle rule. I think it is something like 2 minutes here but I'm not sure.


kursdragon

This one dude was doing this a stoplight when I was on my way back home from work. We were on a pretty low volume street where not many cars go through and it was just a feeder onto a bigger street. He was a good car's length behind the sensor and would not budge. After about 35 seconds of waiting and realizing he was never gonna move and this light was never going to change I turn around and make my way to another parallel street. I was able to get onto the street and pass where this dude was and still saw him sitting there. I kinda wonder if he's still there to this day sometimes.


kausthubnarayan

She must have been starving, I reckon lmao


sesquiup

Lo and behold


routhless1

When I was learning to drive, I overheard my friend's mom tell him to always stop where you could see the white line. Her "logic" was that it was illegal to cross the stop bar, so if you can see it then you know you haven't broken the law. She specifically said it didn't matter what you were driving. I had a full size bronco at the time. Pretty sure that would have left me 3-4 car lengths back. She had a disease where her brain was deteriorating. I wonder what these folks use as an excuse.


th3pokemaster

I was at a stop light super early morning so it only changed when it detected motion. Person in front of me stopped way too far back, so the light never changed. I watched as the crosswalk signal went from walk, countdown to don’t walk, back to walk, before I honked at them. They still didn’t get it, so I squeezed past them to make a right on red


krypt_o

I bet these types of people are the same ones that sit a car-length+ behind others in take-out lines.


TheRealOptician

Had a guy park at the pay window so I couldn't pull up to pay. Then, when the car at the 2nd window finished, he pulled up 2-3 car spaces. So, I'm fumbling with cash to pay and he skirts off super quick because they already had his food done. So it looks like I'm the one holding up a long line. Those people are so aggravating, like nothing to get mad about, but damn.


fanana_bishh

Thank you. I've been harboring too much anger on this subject.


voguenote

And then the person taking your order keeps asking “how can I help you” but you’re too far from the speaker


MimiMyMy

Ugh, that’s one of my biggest pet peeves. Just move up a few feet so I can reach the microphone to place my order.


nat_r

Oh man, that's my major first world pet peeve. Sitting in line and realizing if the two cars in front of you just pulled up like half the distance of the giant gap they'd decided to leave, you'd be at the speaker and if everybody did it the line would move quicker overall.


SpraynardKrueg

This is how traffic gets fucked up in the city or anywhere where you have limited space and limited time to get through a red light. People stop two car lengths from each other and limit the amount of people who can get through the light during a cycle. This causes backup. The people who leave tons a of space also take 5 seconds to realize they have to hit the gas which is a big deal when light is green for only 10 seconds and theres 30 cars trying to get through the light.


TheRealOptician

It's like people can't predict that 12 cars simultaneously moving in front of them means they should think about going also. Infuriating to say the least.


that_guy_jeff-225

I bet you you triggered the motion and coused the light to go green 10 seconds after you ran a red making them think you were a asshole for not waiting for the green


Tumbleweedenroute

In the US right on red is mostly an allowed move so it's not running a red


Xalethesniper

Are there any states where it’s not legal?


tornado962

The only time you can't do it is if there's a sign saying "No turn on red" I know in some countries like the UK you have to wait for a green to turn.


krashundburn

> I was at a stop light super early morning so it only changed when it detected motion. Person in front of me stopped way too far back, so the light never changed. You'd think more people would know about this. I knew about the loops long ago, but have recently learned something since. I was at a light (and it was a really *long* light, for a sidestreet on a busy highway), and I moved forward to let the car behind me make a right turn on red. Except that I had moved forward of the damn loop so it forgot all about me, passing the green ball and allowing me to sit there through another long cycle to question my life's choices about being nice.


goodstuff2020

I had friends that rode motorcycles, back in the day, haha. We had to pull up close and wave the cars to pull up so the sensor would trip if we were first in line. Who knew?! LOL


fsSnowboard

Yea that sucks. Ran several red lights after waiting for someone to trigger the light. Learned here in South Carolina motorcycle can go through after waiting for it to change if it fails to change.


Amythir

I know some people who got strong rare earth magnets on the bottom of their motorcycles to trigger the sensors.


undrunkenman

Good point. I am in NYC, the opposite happens. The cars cross over the stop line, crosswalk and keep inching forward like the light will change sooner. Pro tip: It won't change sooner. Traffic lights in NYC are timed.


Left-Entertainer-279

Yep, that's my experience in PA as well. I don't believe I've ever seen this phenomena of cars stopping shy of the mark. Half the time they're in the intersection holding up cross traffic.


TerrorFromThePeeps

This is such a pain on a smaller bike. I am forever pulling way forward and trying to wave the cat behind me up closer. Like, I truly truly appreciate cars who give the proper amount of room to a bike, but if I'm waving you forward, come forward. The amount of metal on my bike is NEVER going to give us a left arrow, my friend.


JelleDijkhuizen

Add some magnets to your bike. Those detection loops use changes in their magnetic field to detect vehicles. So some magnets will help in the detection.


johnplzza

What are your hobbies? *Magnets*


BeachDuc

I know the pain. I ditched a load of excess weight from my Ducati and it stopped triggering the sensor on the way home from work. Fine during the day, when there were other cars on the road but on a late shift I’d sit for ages until I plucked up the nerve to just run the red (on deserted streets, with good sight lines and no camera).


Lusiric

Here in Washington there's a sudden trend of stopping over a cars length from the line. I'm baffled by it. If so many people were dying from being taken out at the stop line, we'd see a lot more accidents of that nature. I've only ever seen one, and I'm 33 and have driven all over the world.


mwalker324

Oregon too! People do it in drive thrus too. Why the hell do you need so much space between you and the next car in a drive thru?? The other day I was allllmost to the speaker but couldn’t quite get there because the jackass in front of me wouldn’t move up more. The lady kept saying “order when you’re ready. Hello? Hello?” I was equal parts enraged and amused at the absurdity. People are so oblivious to their surrounding. This issue and driving slow in the fast lane/not getting over are my biggest road rage inducing pet peeves.


1976k20

I can’t stand these sensors. I ride a motorcycle whenever I can but it doesn’t weigh enough to trip these sensors. It’s so frustrating watching the lights cycle multiple times until I get fed up and blow through it. When there are cars behind me I pull up as far as I can so the cars will move up enough to trip them.


Q-nicorn

In Utah they made it legal for motorcycles to run lights (treat them as stop signs) because the censors don't trip for them. I don't know how many other places have done this but it is a thing.


FormalChicken

What you also don’t see is how far back those sensors go and how sensitive they are. They would have easily tripped the sensors where they were ...


snoboreddotcom

yeah. having seen them installed this is more about how this guy thinks the sensors work versus how they actually work.


Nefarious_69

My motorcycle won’t trigger them, I have to get up on the line and then coax the car behind to get close which at a light they always seem afraid to do but they’re never afraid to crowd a bikes lane or cut a bike off while in motion... 🤔 My state also has a law that if you are on a bike and the light skips you a full cycle or a set number of minutes you can legally proceed through in a safe manner. I’ve done that in front of cops twice and wasn’t pulled over.


why0me

As a car driver who has seen waaaaay too many videos of bikes getting rear- ended at stop lights, I leave that space between me and you so that if I get rear ended it hopefully does not push me into you.


account_not_valid

Thank you. As a motorbike rider, I appreciate your actions.


Grabatreetron

This is partly why lane splitting is legal in California and should be everywhere.


Kaankaants

Morally I'm so on the fence about this law for this exact reason. The cons are it can be dangerous, and is often done at speed creating even more risk; but then the pro is it removes the possibility of a rider and/or pillion being squished from behind.


RandomSubieGuy

>As a car driver who has seen waaaaay too many videos of bikes getting rear- ended at stop lights, Have you ever seen a bike getting front- ended in reverse at a light? https://youtu.be/lQGCcNfZuJM


Acki90

Had the same issue at my old flat. It had traffic lights on its side road that linked to the tram line and the road it joined. Light stayed red unless there was a car waiting to pull out. My little 125 wouldn't be picked up by it so I either had to wait for a car or risk getting squashed by a massive yellow tram.


Contributing2Reddit

Get your hands on a heavy duty magnet and put it on the bottom of your bike where it is close to the ground. The magnet needs to be strong enough so that it won’t fall off if you hit a bump while riding and needs to be big enough to have a decently sized magnetic field. The magnetic field will trip the sensor under the surface of the pavement and you’ll get a green light 95% of the time. It’s a game changer.


Barflyerdammit

But not too big. You don't want to drag a line of bicyclists and scooters home. Or maybe ya do.


Contributing2Reddit

How else do you get enough metal to trigger the loop.


TheDarkWave

Like some sort of twisted Katamari Damacy shit


unusualj107

Why did the Katamari Damacy theme just start playing on the horizon?


cliff_burtons_balls

Also if you can see the saw cut where they installed the loop, ride on either side of that rectangle. In my area they've started painting a cyclist on the side so bikers/cyclists know where to stop to trigger it.


Stalkynote

I see people trying to do this all the time where I live. The 2 lane highway always gets backed up over the weekend and people try and take a backroad that has a timed light and isn't a sensor. The light will literally take like 10 minutes to turn green because it prioritizes the highway. So many people try and inch more forward thinking there is a sensor. The one trick that does work though is getting out and hitting the crosswalk button to cross the highway.


inkaWinkaBug

I was stopped at a light with a sensor but for some reason the light wasn't changing. The guy behind me came to tell me too move up but I was already almost over the line! I told him to go hit the pedestrian button and finally it gave us the green.


zadoo7

This. Hitting the crosswalk button always does the trick instead of dancing on the road trying to make that stupid sensor trigger


onetruepairings

this just turns it into the Rock Bottom Bus Scene from Spongebob, where I’m torn between waiting out the indeterminate amount of time it takes for the light to change on its own, vs waiting the set amount of time it would take for the crosswalk to give the green


rhg561

Then it turns green while you're out of your car and you look like an idiot


SyntheticCephalopod

What, exactly, is up with people doing that (stopping two or three car lengths before the stop line)? I've only really noticed it happening in the last 5 to 10 years. Did they start teaching that in drivers Ed for some reason? If so, why?


alreadytaken-

The situations I've seen it feels like they want to be behind the car beside them so they don't have to make eye contact. I genuinely think it's just anxious drivers, I wish I could tell them they would be safer if they drove with any confidence


LitMaster11

Never really understood why people always leave a car length between their car and the stop bar. Hell, at one point I swore I saw someone who was 2 or 3 car lengths behind the stop bar.


SubjectC

Or when you leave space for people to merge when a lane narrows and they wont take it. There will be 3 or 4 car lengths of empty space and they'll keep refusing to merge as they to get in front of the next car before the lane runs out.


MystikIncarnate

this is a zipper merge. It works exactly as you described. people in both lanes are supposed to have and leave room for cars in the other lane, and the lanes are supposed to merge when they end. The unfortunate reality is that people tend to merge early, creating an empty lane for dbags to race up to try to get in front. The other unfortunate reality is that people don't make room, so even if you're doing things correctly, if the other people around you are not, it can be just as bad or worse for traffic flow as merging early. Zipper merges are very reliant on people understanding how to perform them. In my experience, nearly nobody does, so if I see a merge up ahead, I usually vacate the closing lane ASAP (well before the merge) so I don't end up next to some schmuck that doesn't understand what a zipper merge is, or how to behave at one, then leave lots of room for people who are doing it correctly. Zipper merges can be a very effective tool, but it requires traffic working together, something that in my experience, rarely happens.


LePoisson

Holy shit dude I live in Ohio and have a zipper merge I take every time onto the highway and fuuuuck nobody can do it right. Driven to New York, traffic is crazy but at least they can zipper merge there. I'd honestly rather drive in NYC than Cincinnati just because the people in NYC actually know how to drive and are predictable most of the time. It was weirdly refreshing to drive around NYC lol I know that sounds insane but seriously... People need to learn to merge instead of being morons. It's not hard to follow a cycle of he goes you go he goes you go he goes etc etc... Except apparently it is hard for a bunch of goobers here.


nitid_name

I always force the zipper merge to start... I stay in the merge lane but keep pace with traffic. That way, the zippper merge (hopefully) starts happening behind me, and no one things I'm trying to "cut ahead." Sometimes this triggers that weird aggressive driving thing where people in front of me try to block me from zooming down the merge lane. It boggles the mind.


xaofone

creating traffic, they are.


Afraid-Raspberry7939

I was stuck behind this microscopic short lady who was stopped like 3 car lengths from the stop line. Late at night, rural road perpendicular to the road leading to/from highway access Got impatient, pulled up to her side, motioned for her to roll her window down, and said "watch this" Pulled in front of her and the other lights started changing instanly, got our green, pointed at the ground at the white line before driving off


TriVerSeGD

The opposite happens near me all the time. People come to a left turn at a light that only cycles when a car is there (probably pressure activated), and these people roll on the other side of the white line, which have no plates, so they’ll sit there literally forever until someone comes behind them, or they think the light is broken and try to make the turn themselves, lol.


ConfusedOrder

On the lane nearest to the corner where people turn I often leave a sizeable gap to avoid getting clipped by people who can't handle turning left properly. On the other lanes it makes no sense to hang back that far.


LucasOe

As someone who's pretty big, I often have to stop a few meters infront of the white line because I can't see the lights otherwise. I don't think those sensors are a thing in germany though.


zaraloveofmylifeddhl

They should teach that in drivers training. I once did the exact same thing after sitting at a red light for 15 minutes after it caused a traffic jam. I can’t believe everyone doesn’t know this. It also signals a free left turn at some lights. I laugh when people miss their free left turn because they’re not triggering the sensors.


VerifiedMadgod

I typically pull right up to the white line but I actually never knew it made such a difference. I always assumed the sensors would go up the road aways. Definitely something that should be covered in drivers ed.


Huge-History

Americans have to pay for left turns? Capitalism is brutal


toptoppings

Wait till you hear about right turns


PlasticPegasus

Jesus, Vin Diesel has aged.


Duck8Quack

My boy, Vincent Gasoline is 53 years old. He’s been aged like a fine cheddar. Give him the respect he is due, he ain’t some budget velveeta.


nuffced

I feel you bro! There should be a PSA on how to properly stop at a traffic light.


Scapular_Fin

This is something I've only recently noticed, maybe the last couple years, and the thing is if you use the space you're given, like, you pull up to the frickin' light, and you might alleviate some congestion behind you. I've been stuck at quite a few lights where I couldn't make a right on red because the fool in front of me was blocking the turn being back so far. Other times I've not been able to turn onto side streets or into businesses because the cars were too far back. It's so dumb.


2caiques

Especially frustrating when there is a right turn yield sign at the intersection but the narcissist going straight at the front of the line has pulled up to the right of the lane, blocking anyone from making the right while narcissist waits for the green.


puknut

"This light is taking forever... gives me time to complain about it on Twitter"


Brittlehorn

For a moment there I thought he was going to tell them to ignore the red light because ‘freedom’


RazorClamJam

THANK YOU!! I HATE THAT SHIT!!!


Fawlow

I see those kinds of drivers everyday, some people don't pull up at the white thick line, sometimes they stopped so far from it that another car can fit in there


Ozzick

Today I learned that light sensors are a thing.


Peanlocket

Yeah and it's really weird how everyone in the comments is acting like this is the norm and if you don't know that you're a fucking dumbass. Sorry that my state doesn't use them?


Kenneldogg

As someone who is irritated by people doing this on a daily basis (sitting way behind the sensors) thank you!


IThoughtUKnew2

This happens during rush hr coming home. Your trying to merge into a fixed left turn lane but cant quite make your way in because the driver ahead of you decides they need to be 2 car lengths behind the car ahead of them so now you've lost your opportunity to make that left. He goes ahead as his light turns green. Nowww you can get into the left lane. Why does anybody need that much space between themselves and the car ahead of them at a red light is beyond me. Like Duh! Do you not see all these ppl rushing to get home after work? But then these people...ugh!


chiubacca82

2 slow 2 furious


gaffman666

I hate the lights with sensors. Half the time they don’t read me when I’m on my motorcycle and I just gamble running the red or waiting for a car to trigger them lol.


EpiphanyCatharsis

I actually don’t blame the guy. People need to pay attention at intersections. And if you don’t pull up to take a left turn you antagonize everyone behind you.


DR0P_B34R

Some heros don't wear capes, they wear flip flops and instruct idiots how to drive better! Thank you hero, from the bottom of my heart!


BABarracus

Some traffic lights have sensors in the ground and the light wont change if you dont pull all the way up