For the few that think Rosario “faked” being KO’d, I made a “solar plexus” KO reel. Featuring Erik Morales, Tito Trinidad, Sergio Martinez, Robert Guerrero, Marcos Maidana and most recently.... Jermell Charlo
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Does this subreddit think that every time someone get's knocked down by something other than headshot it's fake? Also great KO reel and well edited btw!
Think it shows how few people on this sub have actually boxed before...
I think it shows how many people on this sub are kids who haven’t seen all that much boxing. After a while you see so much shit that meets the eye weirdly you stop seeing things some things as all that weird.
These stupid YouTube stars pretending to box aren’t helping.
It's the influx of MMA fans to the sport. They just don't know the sport well.
Yeah if you've ever taken a half decent shot to the solar or just a tap on the liver then you understand what bodyshots can do
most body shots will ricochet off (if your not leaving yourself wide open), but if you get hit with a shot right to the solar plexus its a radiating wave of pain as all that energy is transferred into your body.
I fell off my bike and lacerated my liver when I was in 8th grade.
The pain was fucking crazy, it felt like I got stabbed with an insanely blunt object.
Couldn't even breathe for a solid minute.
Ive thought about taking a poll but I know it'll be self selecting toward people who actually do, and those who don't just won't speak up. Yeah, I wonder that sometimes also. Liver shots and anything that kicks your diaphragm can absolutely be a game over.
I've never boxed and only started watching in the last few years...but my baby kicked me in the stomach and I almost died so I believe it.
Or can even read body language. You can't just fake all of Rosario's body cues and facial expressions. Dude was clearly in pain and frozen on the way down.
I've boxed. Still strikes me as weird that someone would get KO'd by a jab to the body. Especially a partially blocked one. Not saying it's fake, but definitely unusual.
"I've never seen it, nobody in boxing had ever seen it." - Jermell Charlo
I guess me and Jermell are just noobs
So, you haven’t boxed anyone who could punch. Because I’ve been folded in half by jabs. Partially blocked or otherwise, if it started at his feet, and it’s on the button, you are getting rocked.
That's a ridiculous thing to say. If it was so common there would be other examples of it to look at. None of the other KOs in this clip are from jabs. Again, I'm NOT saying it's fake, just unusual. And just cuz you get dropped by body jabs all the time doesn't say anything about other people experience. Maybe you just can't take a punch. Do some sit ups.
“Sit ups will save you from [this](https://youtu.be/pxgNU8LtVVg).“- dirt_gumby
Your entire arsenal should sting. Some more than others, sure. But a poisonous jab is instrumental in taking someone’s guard apart is it not?
So you're boxing Floyd? Yea, the jab is possibly the most important punch in boxing. All I'm saying is it's UNUSUAL to see a knockout from a jab to the body. Do you disagree with this? If so, please give some other examples of this apparently common occurrence.
Sure a KO from a jab is not as common. You just don’t get the rotational force from the straight punch. So your CPU doesn’t go lights out as easily.
I guess it’s just really common for spectators and enthusiasts to attribute KO’s to hook and cross when in reality the CPU was already reset by the previous jab/s. Or a jab folded your liver and as it becomes debilitating the fighter wears a good hook and goes down.
Interesting to hear it from your viewpoint. But for me, the power and speed of the jab can spell demise. The feeling of wearing a fist that you barley even saw coming.....
It might not look like much, but it does more than enough of a job to end your night.
Granted though, a higher % of highlight KO reels will show punches other than jabs...
Yea, I've seen plenty of jab KOs before, but this is the first time I've ever seen one from a body jab. I'm not just talking about what's common on KO reels, I'm saying I've never seen it. If you know of any other examples, of love to see them. I think that's worth pointing out, when you see something in competition that you've never seen before, rather than acting like it's commonplace. When someone breaks a record in other sports, people make note. I think this is equally noteworthy.
So you agree it's rare. Which is all I've been saying this whole time. So I don't know what point you've been trying to argue.
Behold the power of the jab.
Not surprising in the slightest that a body jab can destroy a fighter.
My point is that a body jab can devastate. It looks weak but shakes you to the literal core if it’s on the button.
So many people are shocked when it happens. And I stand by my first statement. These people, most likely haven’t been punched much, or hard. That’s all.
You haven't boxed because you seemingly have no fucking idea why aiming for the solar plexus is illegal in amateur boxing.
I think you should look up where the solar plexus is, then watch closely where Rosario gets hit. Because it's not the solar plexus.
Some idiots were even saying that the Kovalev-Canelo KO was fixed.
I said at the time if I agreed to fake a ko and someone still smacked me that hard I’d be pissed off lol.
I'm sorry there's nothing unbelievable about allowing yourself to be knocked out for money. I have never ever seen Kovalev perform the way he did against Canelo. He treated it as a sparring session, did not throw any punches with intent, I can't recall him throwing a powerful right hand with intent. His jabs were entirely inconsistent with the way he usually jabs and he just looked too relaxed in there.. Like I said.. Sparring session.. Now we know there are consistently suspicious judges with Golden Boy, literally it seems like every or every other card there's some ludicrous result. Given this and Oscar's s tendency to dress up in fishnets and coke himself out of reality, I would not be at all surprised that the fight was a fix. Boxing is corrupt let's not encourage.. Altho saying this, it could just be legit and Kovalev was so messed up from fighting Yarde two months before that he couldn't perform at all like his previous self.. I'm inclined with the fix tbh.. Boxing has been corrupt forever.
> I have never ever seen Kovalev perform the way he did against Canelo.
Did you not watch Kovalev vs Alvarez 2 ?
Dude that is a terrible example lmao.. Did you even watch that fight yourself? The fact that this gets voted up and I get voted down shows the ridiculousness of the people on this sub
Doesn't even have to be a punch to the body, there are people here who think Kovalev faked being knocked out against Canelo.
That particular case was insane. The 'fix' comments seemed to just never end. My theory is that casual/newer fans don't know what it looks like to see somebody get broken down.
I dont think it was a fix but I believe people were saying fix alluding the fact that Canelo took the fight after kovalev only just got hurt bad by Yard, is old and had a trial going on. It was a fix in the sense of Canelo picking kovalev at his lowest point. But no the KO wasn't fixed and Kovalev was still the LHW champ
Don’t act like the Charlo KO wasn’t extremely strange. Dude took a seemingly normal jab to the body and went down gasping for air, never seen anything like that. Obviously it wasn’t fixed but I can see how one would think that
I went to preexisting medical conditions before fixed tho
It's possible Charlo had already broken one of his ribs partially, and that jab sealed the deal and it caused too much pain in his chest for him to breathe properly.
Agreed, I thought it was strange too but given Rosarios reaction and his will to win, I knew it wasn't fake.
Also, if Rosario is going to take a dive, he's not going to do it on a body jab. And if he was faking it, he's got a good future in Hollywood ahead of him. It was a weird situation for sure, but no way it was a fix.
If fans would step into the squared circle and spar a little bit, the respect for the pros (men, women, and all the hardworking journeymen boxers) would go up tremendously. The average person, who doesn't exercise, won't be able to get through a 3-minute round without completely gassing... maybe not even a 2-minute one.
Couldn't be more right i got my friends into sparring and every single time a new one came for a mess about spar they would brush off me saying you won't go 3 mins and every time they get gassed before the end of a 2 minute round.
Even if you do exercise, you can still gas yourself in 3 minutes. When it feels like combat you can summon all of your energy and spend it so fast and the harder you go the harder the other person responds.
Most people wouldn't be able to last a full minute against a random amateur boxer that nobody knows about.
You are giving them too much credit lol.
More like 30 seconds tbh.
>The average person, who doesn't exercise, won't be able to get through a 3-minute round without completely gassing... maybe not even a 2-minute one.
First time I sparred, I gassed in about 30 seconds. Literally couldn't throw anymore and I had trouble breathing. The funny thing is that I've always been fit... never had a body fat percentage higher than 12%, ran and cycled on the regular, played tons of basketball, Etc. It gave me a whole new sense of respect for dudes and gals who ply their trade as boxers.
This is the internet in general now. Something seems even slightly off? People not just run but literally sprint with the idea that it was faked/is a conspiracy without having any knowledge about the situation or subjection they are sprinting with. And now, thanks again to the internet, they can find all kinds of people who will support and sprint with them. Which in turn confirms their thoughts cuz hey, if they were crazy there wouldn't also be a handful of others who also thought the same thing, right? Tyson Fury beating Wilder was cuz his gloves were loaded, or missing stuffing or some other crazy bullshit I remember hearing. Kovalev 100% faked his KO over Canelo and threw the fight cuz he needed money. Now Rosario has done the same. It sadly doesnt end with boxing, but literally everything nowadays it feels like.
>Tyson Fury beating Wilder was cuz his gloves were loaded, or missing stuffing or some other crazy bullshit I remember hearing.
And putting his hands only halfway in, thus making his hooks "much more devastating." I don't say this lightly, but it's by far the most stupid thing I've ever seen peddled around on the boxing scene. Do people actually know that gloves are meant to protect the fighter's hands and not the opponent's face? Tyson would have broken his wrists one minute into the fight if he'd tried to put them only halfway in.
Haven't you noticed the influx on members on this sub? it went from around 400k to 800k+ in less than 6 months or so. Those are all the youtube and facebook boxing fans with the "PrImE TySoN" mantra
No. What happens is maybe 2 or 3 people say something dumb, and even dumber people like OP take it seriously, get triggered, call everyone casuals and spend time making videos like this.
It's pretty funny if you use reddit like you should i.e., a source of entertainment and not your sole source of social interaction.
You kinda sound triggered my dude
Charlo has 2 wins by KO where he shut down their bodies completely but they tried getting back up. As much as I wanted the banana to win that shit is impressive lol
Ay seeing Banana go down like **that** knocked more wind out of me than it did him.
This has happened to me before and it's a fucking terrifying feeling. Feels like your lungs just said "fuck it" and aren't returning anytime soon. It's what I imagine suffocating feels like. And it didn't happen from a huge punch, either. Sometimes you just get tagged at the perfect moment, in the perfect spot. Hell I knew a guy in high school who died from getting punched in the chest.
Houdini used to let people from the audience punch him in the gut as hard as they wanted to. He had done it for years, then one day a guy hits him when he wasn't prepared, Houdini died from the punch.
Oh yeah that's right. If you've ever read the witness accounts of the incident it sounds pretty brutal.
Had a kid my first day of Second Grade kick me in the chest while I was standing in line for morning roll call. Fuckin' sucks. On the bright side, the kid that did it ended up in prison for life after he killed another kid by dropping a lift bar on his throat (obviously much later, though).
Jermell landed a partially blocked body jab with barely any sting on it because it was after the jab to the head and then Rosario looked like he was having a stroke... it was one of the weirdest knockouts I’ve ever seen.
Sometimes it's just shit luck.
Look at 147lb [Mayweather practicing the jab in this video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxgNU8LtVVg) Imagine a clean power-jab to the stomach from a 154lb Charlo.
Plenty of fighters have been knocked out by partially blocked body shots and jabs before.
We also have to remember that Rosario was knocked down twice before this. He probably didn’t have too much left in the tank before taking this final blow.
Yeah, this was mostly an attritional thing I think. Centre of gravity, knocked down, wind taken out, and then on top of that had been taking a beating.
I disagree. His reaction was *so* extreme, it suggested acute physical trauma as opposed to someone who'd been worn down. I think there's no way to look at this other than as a bit of a freak KO, or a punch that *looked* weak on TV but actually had a lot of sting on it.
He went down quite easily earlier in the fight too, so I was wondering if he wasn't feeling 100% going into the bout.
My theory is that Charlo had previously inflicted a broken rib on him, and then he jabbed the perfect spot to cause him immense pain or some kind of internal damage.
You were kinda right after all:
"Actually the punch that came \[in the eight\] did not have the strength of the other \[in the sixth\]. What happened was that I was already coming out there after receiving that punch that I took in the sixth round, from which I did not recover."
Ok but charlo’s jab wasn’t that
I don’t think you can describe that punch as having ‘barely any sting on it’, it was stiff as fuck and the motion of carrying through from the previous jab to the head meant he was pushing forward with his whole weight behind it.
Plus he was stood square onto it so it pushed straight into the solar plexus. It's a case of punches not looking like much on TV actually hurting like fuck IRL
I tried it, my wife gave me a standing 8 count. what do i do now
Tell her that she’s using an out of date rule book
Not in Latvia
All the dude said was "the knockout looked strange" and you go butthurt level 11 with "mAyBe YoU sHoUlD hIt YoUrSeLf" lmao
Also it isn't possible to hit yourself like that, your mind literally won't allow you to.
really? you took that literally? Let someone else punch you there then, just make sure you run a few miles and let that person punch you in the head a bunch first too though... doofus
Ugh nothing worse than someone pulling the old "i can't believe you took that seriously" bit.
Literally not seriously, and its not a bit. Its completely unreasonable to think someone actually wants you to try to punch yourself as hard as you can. I am sorry that you are not very smart but I am right lol
I was actually being serious.
Just make a fist and go yourself a few light taps an inch or two below the middle of the ribs without flexing and you'll see how bad one of these punches can be
Mm okay buddy lol
The dude just admitted he was being serious so I guess you can eat a dick
I think it hit him just below the solar plexus, where your stomach is located. Just because it looked like he was gagging or about to throw up when he was on the ground.
I don't think people are stupid enough to claim that bodyshots don't hurt though ?
Many people's boxing knowledge comes from Rocky movies. I think most even thinks you can stop punches with your head.
Man lots of people are stupid enough. I’ve had plenty come through my gym.
Josh Taylor v Khongsong would fit in here
It did seem strange watching it as the punch didnt seem that powerful, but Khongsong spent the night in hospital
That punch looked extremely painful. It was a power punch, Khongsong was standing straight up and there was no guard.
I didnt think it looked that powerful, but was very well placed. It obviously hurt a lot more than I thought it looked.
Just add I'm not accusing khongsong of taking a dive or anything like that
That was a liver shot which is more acknowledged to be a KO punch.
If you watch Charlo's punch from the ringside angle that was taken in the building it was a HARD punch. He also doesn't use the jab like most fighters do, really steps into that and uses it as a power shot instead of working behind it.
Popular opinion is he is has one of the hardest Jabs in his weight class. I saw the footage from the other angle it was a very hard punch and Rosario wasn't ready for it and it took his air.
Source on that ringside angle?
It's interesting that the fighters are able to clearly hear the announcers right next to the ring during the fight.
Ok, who is stupid enough to say it was faked? You could literally see Rosario convulsing on the mat.
They think Rosario is the second coming of Daniel Day Lewis
I don't think it was faked but we don't know if he was really convulsing or faking it.
Why would he fake it at that moment and not in the 6th round where it would be more convincing?
I don't know. I'm not said he did fake it. Just that this argument of "we could see him" is not valid
He wasn’t “convulsing” he was trying to get his breath
Dude this comment is irrelevant he wasn't convulsing he was breathing heavily as if he was gasping for air. Why do you think this can't be faked? Just not true.. There's so much corruption in boxing so although unlikely there's definitely the possibility of this being a fix. Scorecards are consistently ridiculous and theres so much other shit going on in boxing. To think that a fight can't be fixed is just ridiculous and people who just blindly accept results like this and outrageous scorecards just encourage further corruption in boxing
I’m not saying it was fake. But none of those shots were by a jab that looked like it barely even landed. Lol all were huge shots with bad intentions
2nd of a double jab that looked like more of a push to be exact.
The difference between those and the Rosario one is that they all look like they've had the wind knocked out of them and are in pain but still aware of what's going on, Rosario looks like the jab to his body shut off his brain and is why it looks suspect. Am I the only one that sees the difference?
The Morales body shot was brutal, it was almost like an overhand body shot....
Josh Taylor aswell over the weekend
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It's too low for a solar plexus shot though. Not disputing that the KO is legit, but its was not a solar plexus shot.
People claiming it's faked never took a single punch in their whole life. Great video and great tribute to all these warriors being cut in half. 🤜
I think people watch movies and assume that unless someone is out cold they can always “fight back”. You don’t realize how much your body can just decide “im done” if it gets hit right
so, in the vid we see a straight right, a left hook, a straight left from a southpaw, another left hook and a right uppercut all to the solar plexus.
no one is disputing the possibility of a solar plexus KO but Charlos jab KO was a lucky 1/100 KO
I'd personally rather be punched in the head
Getting hit in the solar plexus without preparing for it=trying to puke out your balls on the floor
One of the worst feelings I’ve ever experienced. That and liver shots.
i gotta say, that didn't look like it had that much power. and it was the 2nd of a double jab thats more of a push. so I'm not surprised some would think he faked it.
the compilation actually does not help your argument seeing how most of those ko came from power punches.
See the problem I have with people defending this now is that they go to the most extreme position of "People don't think body shots can hurt"
A lot of us have been watching boxing a long time and we know what a good body shot can do and what it looks like. This one looks suspect af
When you have to really go this far it means they doesn't really believe it themselves and are doing whatever they can to justify it
Then they attack your character (A lot of MMA fans haven't been watching boxing long blah blah) not the argument
only people that think it was faked is people that's never even sparred
mfs really have no idea how painful a solar plexus punch really is, it really feels like you can not breathe
The force of the punch matters if you want to use this as an argument
That punch barely landed, it could be the most perfect punch ever, but I can only recall one similar instance, which was kovalev stopping someone with a body jab, but that had mean intentions and landed clean
There’s another angle of it with clearer sound, and the shot definitely had a lot of pop to it.
Yea that jab looked like it had some power behind it to me. Also Rosario was on his last legs after being knocked down twice before this, so it didn’t have to take a huge power punch to put him away. Same thing with Kovalev v Agnew. Agnew was knocked down and took a lot of punishment from Kovalev before a stiff body jab ended that fight.
> was on his last legs after being knocked down twice
Not really, the first one was a clear slip (dont recall the second), and in the 7th round he was pretty active
Charlo should throw his jab more then if that does that much damage, it seems like its a secret weapon that he never uses
In which case he should have one of the best if not the best jab in the sport if it does that much damage when its partially blocked and not even thrown with mean intentions
I think he gets too emotional and starts wanting to just get in there and fight. I think that’s probably his biggest flaw.
He was literally swinging himself off his feet to get the power into his shots
Yet a jab has such devastating power?
If I was his trainer I would be chewing his ear off to base everything he does off a jab that strong
The last Laker game, I forgot who, but he elbowed or hit with his shoulder, right into Anthony Davis' solar plexus. Just sapped a nice amount of hia energy.
I was literally having this conversation with a buddy of mine about the Taylor KO earlier in the night. Convinced it was a dive even though Taylor is absolute world class and his opponent hasn't really fought anyone at that level.
The difference between the Ros KO and the ones from your highlight reel is it was a partially blocked jab, which you have to admit is a strange punch to KO someone with.
I don't have any doubt that it was a real KO, but your video doesn't exactly prove much since it's all hard shots with full leverage
I think he caught him just as he had fully breathed out, and I wonder if something went wrong in Ros's prep that left him drained or dehydrated or whatever
Rosario’s feet were also set and it seemed like his weight was entirely settled, to me it looks like he got caught at the perfect moment where he was between breaths and his center of gravity was just about exactly where he got punched so all the energy, however little there was, went directly into his solar plexus and toppled him.
I saw the punch from a different angle and Rosario got nailed hard, he wasn't ready and it took his air.
Wish this had a slow mo and a different angle. From this angle I can see ppl thinking that he faked it since it looked like a short pushing jab. Then again it doesn't take much to feel a liver shot. Looked like he got winded as well by the way he convulsed on the mat trying to get up.
Why are there two Dominicans in this compilation?
All of those were either clean-hit uppercuts thrown from short distance (2nd clib and the maidana one) or clean-hit power punches thrown with the rear hand.
The charlo clip was a jab to the stamach (not solar plexus) that was partially blocked.
I dont believe it was a fake KO, but it's not strange to question it.
George Foreman knocked a guy out of the ring with a Jab.
It's been confusing me that people are referring to the Charlo KO as a solar plexus shot. The solar plexus is right at the base of the sternum, more in the chest area. Rosario was hit nearer to his belly button. In sure that can hurt if you get hit right, but I don't think it's a solar plexus shot.
You could add roy jones vs virgil hill to this
his appendix exploded
I’ll tell ya from first hand experience getting a shot to the solar plexus is terrible because it just INSTANTLY sucks all the air out of you and you’re left with nothing to breathe. It’s super weird and takes any chance of fighting away because you literally have lost your breathe til it finds itself again.
Getting hit like this feels like getting kicked in the nuts.
0:53 the martinez one is nasty. Miss you Maravilla
I told you guys El Terriblé was the master of the jab to the body. BANG! As Teddy would say 🥊
This punch was in the batter area, not the left lobe of the liver. I don’t think it was fake but I also don’t think it’s a solar plexus shot
Thank you for proving how deep this conspiracy runs, obviously all these fighters are in on it too. /s
I don't think Charlo's punch was on the solar plex, but your point is well taken.
Slightly off topic but kinda on topic - I believe Floyd Mayweather Jr. scored a legit knock-down from a body jab against a dude named Jerry Cooper or something like that.
Wasn't a KO but it was a body jab KD.
Ok fair video, but did any of these guys have to deal with a guy wearing trunk damn near to their nipples and ref calling each shot low and fighter crying over every body shot? Charlo took a big L to his street cred coming out with those trunks having double top bands covering almost his entire body and crying like a pussy for each body shot. What a big pussy cat, real lions don't use sneaky moves like this, I can't recall any fighter wearing trunks that high.
You must not have been around the sport all that long then. It’s a very old practice. Dates back to the 80s at least.
Thanks for history lesson figured it was a tactic not many use like an old bhop move or something... sneaky punk.
I started watching in early 2000s so definitely not 80s
There was an article written in Ring magazine back around the late aughts that won journalism awards titled something like “boxers have found a new way to cheat” with Oscar De La Hoya as a then recent example of it, in his fight with Sturm. Even then it wasn’t new news, just something people were noticing more.
Shaddup. Charlo can never catch a break.
I don't know if it was staged, but it is definitely very strange. This videos shows it clearly. All the others are power punches will a lot of hip rotation, and here it's just a double jab partially blocked. It doesn't even look like it's hitting the plexus.
Have we heard from Rosario?
>. Have we heard from Rosario?
Check his IG and Twitter, the Banana has spoken.
Do you have a link? I can't find him
It's on the sub reddit
I saw the punch from a different angle, it was a clean hard punch. A perfectly placed punch, you can see his body trying to suck air but he can't. He has one of the best jabs in boxing, not my opinion but by his peers.