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Andrew Yangs Drops out of NYC Mayoral Race - Bamboo Ceiling

Andrew Yangs Drops out of NYC Mayoral Race - Bamboo Ceiling

Skinnieguy

It’s unfortunate he didn’t win but I’m glad he did run. Bernie Sander lost a bunch of races in the 70’s before he became mayor in 81. It’s not a lost cause either. He won’t stop here in promoting his causes and we all have to build on what he and many other AA has done. At the very least, Yang has increased the AA profile. But it’ll still take many more years to get the respect we deserve but it has to start somewhere.


Ahchluy

You are correct. Whether you like him or not, it is obvious that just one Asian guy running for mayor was a huge boost in the morale of Asian American men. He definitely took one for the team...Let's not forget how supportive his wife was.


bchang3

Evelyn really is an unsung hero. She stood up for Andrew so many times, especially in light of the media attacks


blissrunner

Man Andrew was lucky to have a strong partner... If he was alone... no doubt 4sses out there will try to bully him more than it was


foxcnnmsnbc

That probably triggered so many Asian American female bloggers and “journalists” and “academics.” That there was a successful Asian American woman on public stage that didn’t sell out.


blissrunner

Yeah... GG & kudos to Evelyn Yang; she seems to understand the fight & passion Andrew wanted to strive on Although now... they should take a break; and if they do start again.. take it slow & true. God knows they may need decades to build up


diamente1

Yes. I hope Yang becomes stronger and runs again. If the next mayor screws up at their job, Yang will have a greater chance to win.


GapMindless

Difference is, Bernie ran as a completely unknown candidate back then with almost no funding. Andrew Yang had more name rec and media coverage than everyone combined as well as a ton of cash.


taiwwa

Yang definitely bit off too much though. Bernie's city is tiny compared to NYC. I thought it was rather audacious to run for NYC and I would have advised against it because as we saw he got chewed up by the interest groups. And that is not because he's asian. It's because NYC is left wing. Bloomberg when he ran basically bought off those interest groups. He would have his nonprofit charitable arm just give major donations to them and they would support him. Yang didn't have that money so of course he lost.


ninbushido

Lol NYC isn’t left wing when it ranks Adams, a former cop and Republican, for number one. Yang is also fairly left wing!


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Soaring violent crime rates is more of an emergency issue that is bigger than normal politics. American political conversations would immediately become so much smarter if people dropped the “left/right” thing.


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yeah alot of my asian friends in nyc are seeing their families vote for adams adams, i think also would put in time and effort to investigate murders of chinese delivery drivers back when he was a cop and no one was willing to do so-so that also created positive sentiment also add tough on crime, when they themselves are being attacked so far andrew yang really isnt doing the bigger stuff to keep these asians interested in him. Like these guys aren't gonna care about ubi or that hes asian


ExiaValvrave

>American political conversations would immediately become so much smarter if people dropped the “left/right” thing. Definitely agree. This country's problems are actually quite simple to solve when you lay them out, but constant partisan conflict make them impossible to tackle.


ninbushido

Yup


ExiaValvrave

>Lol NYC Are you joking? The current candidates are not a reflection of long-rooted political dispositions. NYC is incredibly left wing. Did you forget that's where Cuomo is? Sure, he's governor, but that means he got all the support from NYC. That's like saying L.A. isn't left wing because a potential Republican won a mayoral race (which will realistically never happen, but that's just an example).


GapMindless

Agreed. Although 11% with his level of name rec/media coverage/funding is such a bad result, I would never have expected it.


qwertyui1234567

Which interest groups fought for the Chinese Exclusion Act, Alien Land Laws, and Japanese Internment?


FreeBobbyShmurder

I have very mixed feelings about Andrew Yang and his recent comments about Asian Americans. I do not like the fact that he tried to leverage the nerdy / math stereotype to his advantage. Might as well be slanting his eyes and making dog jokes while he’s at it. We need more Asian representation in politics but Andrew Yang isn’t the guy.


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Yang is just one person. Even though his "be more American" op-ed and model minority pandering permanently soured my image of him, I genuinely believe that his relative success will inspire more AA men to run for public office. I'm simply too old and too tired to continue adopting this AA male doomer mindset.


FreeBobbyShmurder

Fair enough. That type of thinking is a losing game.


Skinnieguy

I don’t know what your definition of success in politics is but we have plenty in Congress. Currently, 16 House AA and 2 in senate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Americans_in_politics We still have ways to go but you don’t build Rome in a day.


wackadoodle_wigwam

That’s definitely not plenty; it’s far under representative of our actual numbers.


NeuroticLlama

Exactly. While I agree with a fair bit of his proposed policies, my perception of him was heavily soured by his leveraging of the model minority stereotype. It’s bullsh*t. Quite frankly, I want to see Asian American representation in politics. I just don’t want him. Why would I want my fellow Asian American brothers to be represented by a guy who plays with stereotypes? He might be of my race, but he does not represent me.


FreeBobbyShmurder

I don’t agree with his campaign but I do think that the image of an asian male holding a position of authority is one that we should all be rooting for. The leveraging of stereotypes was completely off putting. He should’ve used his platform to advance the Asian community, not mock us.


taiwwa

I didn't think it was a big deal. Better to talk about than have it be a silent resentment.


FreeBobbyShmurder

He wasn’t talking about it in a constructive manner. He was using it to gain votes. It’s like the Asian kid in high school who says Ching Chong to make friends. He wasn’t defying stereotypes, he was exacerbating them. Math this. Nerd that.


blueberry__wine

you're completely wrong. Most people think he was too much of a frat boy


taiwwa

Honestly, Yang stood a better chance at becoming NY state governor than NYC Mayor.


throwedboy

He was waaaay more scrutinized than other candidates.


FreeBobbyShmurder

Read some of The NY Times articles on him. Absolutely ridiculous. So many micro aggressions and dog whistles.


cash_grass_or_ass

Care to share, or at least quote it?


FreeBobbyShmurder

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/nyregion/andrew-yang-mayor-nyc.amp.html Read it closely. A discerning eye can pick up on the language they are using. Almost every line of article is intentional. I’d love to do a full breakdown of it at some point.


scvirnay

You’re right. Disgusting hit piece, but effective. People who can’t think independently would easily fall for it.


FreeBobbyShmurder

I was shocked when I read it. Seems like something off Tucker Carlson.


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FreeBobbyShmurder

Another person posted links to them few days ago. I’d love to do a breakdown at some point of the specific article I was reading. I truly couldn’t believe it.


foxcnnmsnbc

If they attacked Miley or Adams like that, there would be protests out in front of the ny times office


dfwtexas88

I live here and he was hyped. He was the frontrunner so that comes with bring scrutinized...moreso than others. Especially when you're Asian and you had a popular presidential run but he failed at portraying himself as a new Yorker and he sold himself out of his own ideas. Down vote all you want just like the last time I criticized him. Yall only give a shit that he's Asian even if his policies no longer line up to what they used to be. Glad he ran as an Asian, I'm not sad nor surprised he didn't do well


FreeBobbyShmurder

He failed as portraying himself as a New Yorker largely because of his race.


dfwtexas88

youre playing that race card way too close to heart that its fogging your brain. Yang is definitely pushing Asians into the political limelight and there is an element of what youre saying is true but hes also said some stupid shit and his responses to criticism were equally bad. This race was his to lose and he didnt manage it well


FreeBobbyShmurder

Both things can be true


Jonnydoo

People here were somewhat split on him also.


FreeBobbyShmurder

For good reason. Yet, I will never root against my own kind. We need more solidarity.


RhythmofChains

I mean, if you applied that standard to everyone, why would you ever expect an Asian to win an election in the US?


FreeBobbyShmurder

By definition, minorities need to stick together. Without solidarity, we are even more divided. This is transitional thinking. In an ideal world, we would be voting on merit alone. However, the world doesn’t work like that. If the majority votes blindly for their race, why shouldn’t we?


RhythmofChains

Transitioning to what though? The day when Asians are the majority in the US? Then you’ll say we have to stick together or else we’ll become a minority, and we’ll just come full circle.


taco_smasher69

Same. I will ALWAYS root for asian men to succeed. I will NEVER root for them to fail. Even if I hate the person \*cough\*eddie\*huang\*cough\* I'll still point out all the good he's done.


taco_smasher69

My personal anecdotal "polling" (I asked friends) of asians in CA suggests a huge gender split. Almost all asian men would vote for Yang (if they lived in NYC) and almost zero support among asian women. I truly hope its just because I just know shitty people and this wasn't the case for NYC and asians in general.


FreeBobbyShmurder

Many Asian women don’t support Asian men. Their self hatred and internalized racism only exacerbates the emasculation / discrimination of Asian men. They seek a false sense of equality by denigrating Asian men + chasing the validation of white men and women


mrholidayplus

AF think they’ll be “upgraded” to a higher class by supporting WM/WF but little did they know they were being played hard.


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FreeBobbyShmurder

I’d agree. It’s refreshing to see people like Joji and Rich Brian garner support, despite not being tall or particularly good looking


ViolntChang

These guys make up for lack of build, looks, size and height with their social status. Overall you'll still have to have a sufficient combo of looks and social status going for you to not be considered a lower subhuman as an AM by the general population.


FreeBobbyShmurder

I agree but they didn’t always have status.


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FreeBobbyShmurder

Do you think half Asians fall into a different category?


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FreeBobbyShmurder

Can you elaborate on that?


waterloo_doctor

Joji is a hapa trash who used to diss and stereotype Asian men btw.


blissrunner

Well... he was Pink Guy for awhile I'll give that a slide for mental fortitude


ViolntChang

100% accurate. They will only support the tiny % of the "palatable" looking tall, fit AM's/hapa looking model types or otherwise socially desirable (whitewashed, acceptable non-Asian social circles etc) while feeling nothing but disgust and disdain for <= average looking AM's. This is also a 1:1 reflection of their dating lives and preferences. It is what it is.


vetiverpamplemousse

Gentle reminder that commentary like this only furthers the division between genders within an already fractured community, and can potentially turn off 50% of voters within the Asian community given AA women exist whether you like them or not. Also I don’t think he lost because someone anecdotally heard that no Asian female voted for him…that doesn’t sound logical or right to me given I know multiple Asian women who supported Yang. Problem is he didn’t get enough support from literally anyone else. Progressive and ultra liberal whites/Jewish people don’t like him especially after the Palestine comment, and he had limited support from the Hispanic community and very little support from the Black community. All those blocks are huge for Dems. Given the people that did support him more (Asians, relatively conservative whites, Orthodox Jews), he might’ve had better luck on a Republican ticket this time.


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Agree here. And the Asian women whom hate Asians are visible and hold a strange amount of media power in white society, but still a minority. This is the map of voters by geography: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/23/nyregion/nyc-mayor-primary-results-precinct-map.html Yang won the Asian vote and you can see it reflected by him winning the 3 Chinatowns. That said, technically he won FOB Asian and the Asian Americans who prefer to live next to Asians. The gender breakdown is unknown to me and it's plausible every Asian living outside these areas hate him, but it's clear that Asians generally do support each other a fair amount and we should stop this... weird hate of blaming each other. Anecdotally I also volunteered for a local Asian candidate running a district council, vast majority of the volunteers were Asian women. Interestingly enough, they were mostly Asian women who were married with full Asian children (ie had a stake in the community)


taco_smasher69

>The gender breakdown is unknown to me and it's plausible every Asian living outside these areas hate him, but it's clear that Asians generally do support each other a fair amount and we should stop this... weird hate of blaming each other. 100% agree, but it's not as easy as you think. For reference, my most recent example of a microagression (pre pandemic) was working at a tech company where a new asian woman joined. While she was being introduced to our team, she smiled and was super friendly with everyone except me and my (asian) colleague. She didn't make eye contact, just shook our hands and immediately moved onto the next guy. She complimented everyone's clothes or names or whatever except me and my colleague. I would have chalked it up to being nervous on the first day but she also proceeded to act super distant to just the two of us during the next two weeks. We would try to talk to her to make her feel welcome, but would only get one word answers. Yet she would spend all day talking to our white colleagues. It was subtle but we had other colleagues asked if we offended her or something. (We just met, how could we?) At this point I've just gotten so used to this kind of treatment by asian women that I've accepted it as the norm. I go out of my way to be professional to asian women, despite not always getting it in return. I don't talk trash about asian women, I just point out my experiences and you can make of it what you will. I've got a dozen or so other similar experiences similar to this. I don't know where this hate comes from, and at this point I don't care. The asian community is deeply divided, but from my experience, its not the men that are causing the division. I will continue to support other asian men and cheer for them, but I will always warn asian men that we are on our own, and that we cannot expect the support of even our own women.


taco_smasher69

>Gentle reminder that commentary like this only furthers the division between genders within an already fractured community, and can potentially turn off 50% of voters within the Asian community given AA women exist whether you like them or not. thanks for that. But I'd still be super curious if there was a way to get a breakdown of voting within the asian community. My suspicion is that we would see a huge gender split, something that I really really really hope I am wrong about. I'm just fed up with how fucked up gender relations are within the asian community. It would be nice to have someone say "HERE BITCH, YOU'RE WRONG" on this issue.


vetiverpamplemousse

I don’t know if by gender and race numbers are available but at least in terms of people marching for Yang and volunteering for his campaign, I’ve been told it’s fairly equal. Also this might just be my circle but the AA women have been way more loud on social media about supporting Yang while a lot of the men are silent on politics in general. I also hate the division and am not saying those types of women don’t exist but when “Asian women suck” is one of the top comment on a political post and you have multiple guys agreeing with each other…it’s a bad look and creates only more division.


taco_smasher69

>I don’t know if by gender and race numbers are available but at least in terms of people marching for Yang and volunteering for his campaign, I’ve been told it’s fairly equal. Also this might just be my circle but the AA women have been way more loud on social media about supporting Yang while a lot of the men are silent on politics in general. Well this is encouraging... I do think a lot of my world view is skewed due to where I live (Silicon Valley) where men vastly outnumber women, so you see a lot of weird social issues. Still, I don't see much that suggests I'm wrong, though I wholeheartedly welcome it.


vetiverpamplemousse

I don’t live in the Valley but based on what I’ve heard, it’s just awful for men in general. My guess is you have something like 1 woman to every 5 men or something ridiculous and given the large number of white and Asian men, who make up most of the Valley, going for the same number of women (many of whom are Asian cause of the industries there and some white women), you get a weird scenario where you see lots of White man Asian woman couples since white men are probably the most common kind of man and Asian women are the most common kind of woman. Also no offence but tech attracts a lot of nerdy White guys who are into Asian girls lol and I’m guessing some of the girls are taking advantage of this creepy fetish. I’d be creeped out but each to their own. This is also from my friend so it’s anecdotal but she’s blonde and blue eyed and living in the SF area and the attention she gets from men, especially non white guys, is insane. She said it’s borderline scary. I’m in the east coast and in my city, Asians dating out really varies. It’s low for Indians and Chinese, and high for Japanese and Korean, and everyone else is in between. My guess is there just aren’t enough Japanese and Koreans around so they’re forced to date out while many people with more options stay within the community.


taco_smasher69

>I don’t know if by gender and race numbers are available but at least in terms of people marching for Yang and volunteering for his campaign, I’ve been told it’s fairly equal. Also this might just be my circle but the AA women have been way more loud on social media about supporting Yang while a lot of the men are silent on politics in general. Do you think he would have had as much support from asian women if it weren't for the recent attacks on asians (which were disproportionately on women)? I know at least one ultra feminist-asian-man-hating asian women that has softened her stance on asian men in light of the recent attacks. I'm not so optimistic about younger asian women.


vetiverpamplemousse

I’m guessing this sub attracts a very specific portion of the Asian community who are clearly upset with the status quo (and for good reasons or I wouldn’t be here trying to understand what you guys think) but I’ve always wondered where and who these ultra hateful feminist Asian women are. I’m surrounded by tons of Asians, men and women, and I just don’t see this sort of behavior as normal or prevalent. If anything, all the “self hating Asians women” types I see are on social media and the news so while I know for a fact they exist, the fact is at least where I am, Asians still often stick together and date each other. Actually there are more AA men around me who are dating out than the other way around. I think Yang probably attracted more support across both genders given the rise in attacks. Asians haven’t been the most politically active bunch historically speaking but it is changing. More and more people are voting and speaking up and the attacks probably sped that process up because it started to matter more to people.


taco_smasher69

>I just don’t see this sort of behavior as normal or prevalent. If anything, all the “self hating Asians women” types I see are on social media and the news so while I know for a fact they exist, the fact is at least where I am, Asians still often stick together and date each other. You are so incredibly lucky. Although I'm surprised. Just going by dating stats alone I'd expect you would run into at least one occasionally. Although I'm sure there are more than you think, they would just tend to downplay it unless they knew you well enough. Almost 100% of the asian women I grew up with are with white partners. The unmarried ones have made it known their partner \*must\* be white. Glad to hear we have such differing life experiences, as I'd like to think mine is uncommon. (But it's not)


vetiverpamplemousse

Do you mind me asking where you’re from? And is the Asian community very small and fractured there? And is it that bad now that you’re in the Bay Area of all places, where I’d imagine that Asian men face very little discrimination given so many successful Asian men live there? I definitely have friends of both genders who date people across the spectrum (most of us are dating or have dated interracially at some point). In terms of actual marriage though, most people have married another Asian even if it’s not the same type of Asian. There’s probably a good chance that Asian women who hate Asian men aren’t my friends lol given not only have I dated Asian, I’ve dated fob. 😏


Fatty5lug

You made it sound like dating fob is really slumming it.


gizayabasu

> when “Asian women suck” is one of the top comment on a political post and you have multiple guys agreeing with each other…it’s a bad look and creates only more division. The reason why it happens is because there's some basis in reality to it.


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vetiverpamplemousse

I’m not denying it exists within some sections of the community - see my previous comments. But dissing Asian women and descending into WMAF hell is also depressing and won’t help Yang or any other AA candidates win in the future. But as you’ve pointed out, it’s not really related to Yang’s loss. And from a voting perspective, some cohesion and less hate is helpful. I’m just looking out for Yang and future Asian candidates.


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vetiverpamplemousse

We think in similar ways. If I were Yang, I would’ve ran as a Republican and focused on strong family values, Christianity, lower taxes, and better public safety. He’s a self made successful man with a beautiful family, so why not emphasize that? He would never win the progressive vote in this day and age.


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vetiverpamplemousse

Given his background, I think he should’ve always ran as a Republican. I agree flip flopping isn’t good and wouldn’t have worked out for the purposes of this election but I’m speaking in general terms.


foxcnnmsnbc

1. Yang will never get that progressive vote over someone like Garcia anyways 2. Adams was a republican and switched to democrat and was never criticized for it. Yang was compared to trump


Ahchluy

You are underestimating the influential power of Asian women. It's quite obvious that Asian women have huge platforms to speak on. They just don't want to use it.


vetiverpamplemousse

As I’ve said many many times, I’m not disagreeing with you guys but I’ve been on this sub for a week and literally every thread evolves into why someone hates AA women in the comments and how much we should all suffer/die/have horrible things happen to us. Apparently none of us can be decent people and it always turns into a pile on with other men jumping in to agree. I don’t know how else I can be supportive and foster productive dialogue but it’s so draining to be part of these conversations or even to just see these comments.


warmpied

>I’ve been on this sub for a week > >I don’t know how else I can be supportive and foster productive dialogue but it’s so draining to be part of these conversations or even to just see these comments. I assume that you're a fairly empathetic person. That's admirable, but IMHO empathizing too much will exhaust you. I don't think you should take it upon yourself to bridge the AM and AF communities. That's just going to cause you a lot of grief. Be a bit more selfish with your emotions. These are generational issues. It's not like we can undo all the systemic racism that ppl have lived through and, more specific to the AF hate, undo all the WMAF in existence. No amount of dialogue will fix these issues. And candidly, a lot of AM just want to vent. We've been gaslit for a long time. Only these past few years has the tone shifted and all our issues been validated. Admittedly, probably not the most productive form of catharsis.


Ahchluy

I dunno. Just sayin. There aren't any famous Asian women using their power to support us. The only one I can think of is maybe Ali Wong. We have yet to see what Kamala Harris will do for us if she ever comes out of the closet about being Asian. lol. Can you think of any others? Cause I can't. It's kind of a stark contrast to what guys like Dan Dae Kim are doing just by twittering. If they are not going to help empower Asian men they can at least empower themselves. edited: Naomi Osaka did finally try, but you can tell she got some identity issues. lol.


vetiverpamplemousse

I can’t be 100% sure but I think we are at the bottom or non existent on Kamala’s list of things to be concerned about. 💀 And Gemma Chan speaks up a lot but she’s British and I’m not sure she’s that much of a household name anywhere. Does this community hate each other or are we just seriously lacking in numbers? Or am I missing something? It’s bizarre how difficult is to garner support for…anything. We barely have any people in the public sphere whether it’s politics to entertainment (the existing celebrities are not exactly A-list or very influential) to sports.


taiwwa

I've read research done about asian women and why they despise asian men. The research said that to Asian women, their fathers were both weak, overbearing and ever present, and that is how they perceive asian men generally, through the experience of their father. So Asian women generally are disappointing but I really do blame the older generation the most for their behavior and how they seem to often set us up for failure.


vetiverpamplemousse

That’s an interesting hypothesis. I can’t say I agree because my father is the opposite of those negative things but I also think I have a great relationship with Asian guy friends and have dated Asian men so perhaps there is a nugget of truth in it. I’m not sure blaming the older generation who obviously didn’t know better is the way to go though. Clearly they tried to pass on values that they felt were useful in their home culture, but doesn’t work here.


Ahchluy

So maybe we should just never be around and have multiple kids from multiple baby mamas. They seem to like guys like that. Lol.


FreeBobbyShmurder

Don’t listen to that bullshit research. The reason asian women despise Asian men is become they were conditioned from day 1 to believe western beauty standards and find Asian men weak and effeminate. At it’s core, Asian women want to fit in and validate their own identity. Suggesting that it’s the fault of Asian fathers is exactly what white supremacists want you to think.


Ahchluy

It's a well known thing tho and not really something just made up in this sub. Have you watch "Moxie" on Netflix?? This is exactly how they portray Asian women. Except that "Moxie" is an idealistic fiction type of movie not really what happens irl.


LucyRegulare

Just random, my neighbor wrote Moxie. It’s so weird to see it referenced outside of the neighborhood.


vetiverpamplemousse

I haven’t seen that movie but tldr? I’m not saying those types of AA women don’t exist because we’ve all seen it in the wild but when one of the top comments on a “Andrew Yang drops out of mayoral race” post is multiple Asian men bashing all Asian women, it’s a bad look and not even directly related to the subject. We all know that if we want more Asians in politics, we need the support of both genders within the Asian community and allies from other communities.


Ahchluy

Well you kinda gotta see the movie. Lol. Hard to explain. Basically this White girl in highschool gets woke and wants to be a hardcore feminist. Her Asian BFF has other Asian type struggles and can't really support her and ends up being ostracized because of that. In reality tho I think most Asian girls in that position would just fall in line and do what she's told by her White alpha BFF because nobody likes being ostracized.


vetiverpamplemousse

…that sounds depressing lol. I hope the actual movie is better than that. I don’t want to turn this into a feminism discussion since that’s a whole other can of worms but all I’ll say is intersectional feminism is very complicated and it makes zero sense for women of color to blindly parrot everything that’s said by white feminists in regards to white men and apply it across the board to all men.


Ahchluy

Also in the movie the Asian guy is the hero of the show because he espouses the feminist values of what a man should act like.....and we all know that is totally not how real life works. 😂 Nevertheless the guys here seem to love that movie. It kept me entertained.


vetiverpamplemousse

Good for him! It’s nice when the Asian guy is the hero and romantic interest instead of the nerdy sidekick. Realistic or not, it’s helpful from a representation perspective.


MendingWall27

I think Andrew yang lost because he relied too much on name recognition. He thought that would be enough to get him through, meanwhile other candidates pushed their agendas hard. Im a black woman and i don't support any candidate at the moment, including the black ones. I will never give anyone my support because they share the same race as me. They have to appeal to the issues important to people. If an Asian woman doesn't support him, perhaps it is not due to internalized racism, but he didn't appeal to the person, the same reason im not supporting the black candidates right now. Instead of the blame game, people have to work hard and study the issues important to everyone. Identity politics isn't enough. People in general have a habit of pointing the finger everywhere but at themselves.


labseries2020

This 1000%. You even had some stupid sjw iditos like henry golding bashing yang without even a proper respectful dialogue of why they disagree. Asian men smarten up, there is no pan asian unity, that shiz is bs white liberal propoganda that makes you suck up to asian women, lgbt, blm, while you are casted aside for afwm couples to. Speak for you. If you want that go ahead


FreeBobbyShmurder

Yes


musicalbasics

It's honestly pathetic, and this is the reason why Asian americans get treated like trash by the media and by politicians, we don't support our own, we don't care enough to vote, and we don't speak out or stand up for ourselves.


FreeBobbyShmurder

Spot on


Igennem

Media was biased against him from Day 1, it's impossible to run as an Asian man in the US. [Even when he conceded the media couldn't get his name right, reverting back to calling him "John Yang".](https://twitter.com/scottsantens/status/1407696014438502401?s=20)


taiwwa

Not true. There are multiple asian male officeholders. Gary Locke is an example. Yang just chose the wrong contest. Has NYC ever voted in a "celebrity" mayor? Only one is Bloomberg. All others were borough politicians.


bfangPF1234

Tbf Locke hasn’t exactly given asian males the best reputation with his behavior.


blissfullylucid

Theres a sweeping statement that I've thought about before, but I think I would want to be more careful and precise in wording it? Asian men are the most SOFT discriminated demographics, because I feel like we are hardly discriminated by soft power (culture and media suggestivity). Thats why we never get any sympathy or attention to dating racism, implicit biases, affirmative action etc. (To be fair, Trans/LGBT have pushed authoritatively for pronoun usage, a form of soft power, so even they get sympathy). Blacks would be the most HARD discriminated, as in their discrimination is pretty obvious because its worked into legal and institutional systems: loans etc. Just my lazy sociology thinking, but I do feel for Andrew Yang, they just wont explicitly say "I dont want an Asian man running my city"


taco_smasher69

>Asian men are the most SOFT discriminated demographics, because I feel like we are hardly discriminated by soft power (culture and media suggestivity). T I would argue a huge part of that is from asian women. One of my best friends has major yellow fever (he's white) and told me almost every asian woman he's dated talks an inordinate amount of trash about asian men. In fact, he said he used to think asian men were all misogynists until we started hanging out and started realizing something didn't add up. I've lost count of the number of micro aggressions I've had from asian women that I didn't even know. It's also sad that these women don't realize these exact same toxic feminist ideals they are spewing will eventually be something their own sons will have to deal with. My buddy told me he feels for me -- he knows I'm a good dude, and someone he'd trust with his life, yet he sees how his gfs will talk trash about me to him when they don't even know me.


NiceAge4

It’s just my opinion but I think a factor on the rise of anti-Asian hate crimes is due to boba Asian women. The years of sucking up to whites and pandering for social integration has become a global stereotype. It also plays into the model minority very well. Not to mention joining in looking down on the races that whites look down on.


waterloo_doctor

he has yellow fever and he still your best friend? lmao


taco_smasher69

He’s not a bad guy. We’ve known each other for decades so we’re pretty tight. I’ve seen it’s not so much that he has yellow fever as much as it is asian women have a white fetish. He barely has to do anything online and he gets Asian women basically sending nudes in seconds. To be honest if I was him I’d be a much bigger pervert than he is. Can you fault a guy that has women throwing themselves at him? I’d be asking why Asian women are making it so easy for him instead


blueberry__wine

yea not gonna lie if I were a white guy I'd most def have yellow fever lmao


taiwwa

Incredible.


AsianDynasty93

>one of my best friends has major yellow fever (he's white) You're a cuck if you hang around white men who fetishize and only go after women of your own race. You tolerate this shit and haven't cut him out of your social circle yet???!!! Damn, that's a cuck move right there tolerating wmaf in your friend circle. Weak ass pussy shit in fact. This is what is wrong with the AM community; a huge bunch of guys like u/taco_smasher69 who tolerate and even befriend wmaf scum. By doing this it makes the rest of us look like we actually support wmaf, thus increasing the number of Asian women who think that it's perfectly ok to date out. The fact that you got 35 upvotes without someone calling you out for being friends with wmaf is extremely troubling.


diamente1

wow, see my response in this group about me banned from a facebook group. r/asianamerican is against Yang. These all affirm what you said here. I did come across microaggression from af in wmaf, one case was af in bmaf.


FreeBobbyShmurder

There’s a thin line between soft / hard discrimination. Many Asians living in the United States are as, if not more, impoverished than their black counterparts. Combine that with blatant racism, lack of representation, negative affirmative action, inability to find a partner, bamboo ceiling, general emasculation. I truly think Asian men, specifically those without money, are the most oppressed minority group (black women are in a similar situation). Black men are sought after in the professional and romantic world. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. I can almost guarantee that the average black man lives a far happier life than the average Asian man. We’ve deluded ourselves into believing the model minority myth.


taiwwa

I see IDW types pointing out that Asians have high average earnings but that's more directed at black complaints.


blissfullylucid

What we have with objective metrics we lack in subjective interpretation, what worse fate can that be when we life in this upside down world? SAT scores, social mobility, yet still culturally slandered and belittled to hell.


FreeBobbyShmurder

The world is fucked up. And yet, someone always has it worse. Just think what it’s like to be a dwarf. Life is not fair and may never will be.


Ahchluy

I don't know about that. Seems like a lot of Asians are getting their heads smashed HARD against the pavement. Everything Asians have we earn. Good credit didn't just fall on our fucking laps.


blissfullylucid

1. Edgy joke. I like dark stuff so Im totally cool with it, but damn man. 2. Funny how you work so hard objectively for idiotic SJW agendas to level you down, saying oh its all your privilege. Asians built themselves up in less than 2-3 generations, Hispanics havent, Blacks certainly havent. Some will say blacks are systemically suppressed, but no one wants to say maybe Asians just have a better culture oriented for professional success (of course we have a shit ton of problems, but they want to take the one thing we earned).


Ahchluy

Sorry I'm kind of a dick. Lol. Black African immigrants from Africa do very well. A lot of them in my town. I think they leveled up even faster than us. They all driving Bimmers and Mercedes. Most of them have college degrees.


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Ahchluy

Yea the Mexicans work. No denying that. The northeast has mostly Puerto Ricans. They don't work that hard, but even they are doing better. Yes I know it sounds like something a racist White dude would say. Lol.


Substantial_Olive

I love Yang and have been a supporter since March 2019 and have donated over $300 to his campaign, but can we please be objective about this and not spin into some Asian Male empowerment narrative ? Yang did not have a chance of winning from the start. He has questionable ideas and tried pandering to certain groups. He had 0 connections to NYC and most of his supporters were literally from outside NYC. Some of the comments I am reading here are just outright delusional if you really thought he lost solely on scrutinization from the media. All the other candidates did as well, we just paid attention to Yang more. No one here is actually debating about his policies and how UBI would affect a certain subgroup of the NYC population. Everyone is too caught up in identity politics right now. Meanwhile, look at the top opposition. Adams has been residing in NYC for decades and has been active in various NYC orgs and municipalities. Undergoing a racial profiling incident as a teen helps and actively working as a cop to try and eliminate racial profiling is something NYC residents vibe with so well. He has been active in the black community that he really has built a foundation for himself in the Big Apple. Note: I don't support Adams, but I can easily see why he won and why Yang lost without clouded judgment.


Ahchluy

It's not that he lost. It's HOW he lost that bothers us.


Substantial_Olive

Judging from the gist of these comments, many people in the community seems to think he purely lost because of his ethnicity which is simply not the case.


asianclassical

When are people here going to give up on the Democratic party?


FreeBobbyShmurder

Give up on this country


CyberHumanism

Let's not pretend that he didn't choke this from his recent publicity, it's been absolutely awful. He was in a solid second place until recently in the polling.


nongo

I was pretty devastated when Yang sold out twice in a span of a year. First when he dropped out of the Presidential race and endorsed Biden thinking he'll get a cabinet position, and second when he sided with the Right Wing authoritarian Israeli Government.


taiwwa

While I liked that he was running I didn't understand why he was running for NYC Mayor. And in the D primary. Seemed like a lot to take on and ultimately he lost because NYC is a huge complex place.


gigolobob

Cuz hes from NYC


taiwwa

Eh, he could have run for like state Treasury or something.


bfangPF1234

The reason he fell behind in polling was because of an uptick in crime, which caused many of the centrist and even more conservative voters who supported him to flock to former police officer Eric adams, even though the NYPD endorsed Yang. Some of these voters were likely older asian voters.


FreeBobbyShmurder

That narrative is according to who? I’m highly suspicious of any explanation that doesn’t include the obvious fact that Yang’s race hindered him in the polls. There’s no reason that the most recognized name should be placing last.


bfangPF1234

The fact that he was well ahead in the initial polls.


FreeBobbyShmurder

Never trust the polls


taiwwa

So news reports say Yang was advised by Bradley Tusk's firm. It appears that on a high level his campaign was advised by white gay men. When looking at a candidate don't just look at the candidate look at his staff and advisors. Where were Yang's high level Asian advisors besides the wife?


AsianAmericanism

Both of his campaigns were run by whites. For that reason, he soured on me considering he could have easily gotten Asians to run his campaigns, yet he chose to have white handlers. If he were to win, the same whites will be whispering in his ear trying to push for white interests. What's more is that whites have no idea about how to handle an Asian candidate, which turned out to be correct as Andrew made one unforced error after another.


FreeBobbyShmurder

And who’s to say that his own advisors didn’t sabotage his campaign? No one in this world wants to see an asian man succeed. Not even other asians. :(


taiwwa

That's on Yang, though. He chose to follow Tusk's advice.


FreeBobbyShmurder

I don’t know how I feel about that. It’s kind of like blaming the Chinese railroad workers that were shot after they constructed the railroads. I think we’re being critical of Yang because he’s Asian. I truly don’t know anymore


taiwwa

Naw it's not like that. Criticism is just part of the process of improvement. If someone on this sub were advising Yang, would things be different? You betcha.


diamente1

In the Facebook group: AAAAR-Asian American Alliance Against Racism https://www.facebook.com/groups/142455397210001/ One AF was posting why she wouldn't support Yang. Yang wouldn't venture deep into Chinatown. Yang is not good for Asians, etc. Comments were telling her Yang did go to the heart of Chinatown. I straight up asked her if she's an AF in a wmaf relationship. She laughed and never answered the question. I then made a post telling people to vote Yang and to tell people to be aware of Asian who are against Yang. I said they are usually AF in wmaf. The sellout AF doesn't want to see AM win because it invalidates their sense of AM is at the bottom of society. It makes them question why they date and married out. I got a few thumbs up and even a comment saying he’s proud of being an Asian because he is a product of AMWF. I responded that I support amwf because it’s a different dynamic than wmaf. AMWF are proud of Asian heritage while wmaf are racist against Asian heritage. Just look at r/hapa and see narratives from hapa males. In less than a day, my posts got deleted, and I am banned from the group. I messaged the mod for a reason. Never got a response. I looked up the moderators and sure enough, one was AF in wmaf with a white last name. I don’t know if other AF are in wmaf. How could you have Asian solidarity when you have Asian in supposedly in an Asian against racism group telling people to NOT support Yang? I don’t trust wmaf.


AsianGI

>In less than a day, my posts got deleted, and I am banned from the group. I messaged the mod for a reason. Never got a response. > >I looked up the moderators and sure enough, one was AF in wmaf with a white last name. I don’t know if other AF are in wmaf. I mean, what did you expect? I think it's safe to assume that in most asian groups, the majority of AFs would be in WMAF relationships. They're well aware of how they're perceived by AMs and have a vested interest in dismissing us as simply jealous. It's a very sensitive topic to them and just simply bringing it to the surface will invoke hostility. I have a feeling that you didn't bring it up in a mild/diplomatic manner. And you should've just respond positively to the amwf hapa and left it at that. Mentioning the whole AMWF/WMAF dichotomy just makes you look biased, which let's be honest, you probably are. Are some asians against yang the infamous self-haters oft mentioned in this sub? I have no doubt, but unless we can produce hard evidence, posting something like that is pretty inflammatory and definitely ground for a ban outside of AM-centric spaces.


taiwwa

Well, you have to be more, eh, subtle, in how you do it. So like, you say to her, "well, Mrs. Jones, your opinion on Asian matters might be colored by your life choices".


diamente1

I just stated the fact. Diplomatic or not. Yes I am biased. I am pro amw because they are pro Asian. We need to curtail their power. For hard evidence, just go to r/AsianAmerican and see what they say about yang there.


AsianGI

Lol brother, I responded aggressively to 2 white incels trolling in an amwf sub. They were literally saying "noone wants AMs" in so many words. The difference between me and them is they pretended to be nice while I just straight up called them out using not so nice words. You know what happened? Their two-face tactics worked, my posts got deleted, while theirs got to stay up. This was an amwf sub, it just proves how a lot of americans are absolutely myopic and can't detect passive-aggressiveness to save their lives. The original post was a white woman upset at having to break up with her AM boyfriend. Sure enough one of our WM "friends" here responded with "sympathy :(((", then proceeded to write 2 paragraphs talking shit about how AMs can't get any WFs to like them. I couldn't roll my eyes back any further. Oh and as icing on top, since she responded to him, I told her to be careful of him as he's not an AM, and that post got deleted by the mod as well, despite it having no inflammatory content whatsoever. If I can't even defend AMs in an AMWF sub, what makes you think you can randomly attack AFs on Facebook? Hahaha.


diamente1

Unbelievable. I wonder who the mods are. I see where you are coming from.


taiwwa

Did they delete the thread?


CryptoCel

The only other prominent Asian candidate for mayor is Michelle Wu running for Mayor of Boston. Asian woman, Harvard educated… and married to a white man. There’s nothing particularly outstanding in terms of her track record for Asian support but she’s at least entrenched in politics and endorsed by Elizabeth Warren and Tammy Duckworth. Does having an Asian woman in positions of power help Asian Americans, and in particular Asian American men? I feel her being mayor would probably further normalize Asian women being married to white men in elite circles - which in turn implies Asian men clearly can’t attract high value Asian women. So maybe not a great win for AsAm men.


whateverman120

oh i am kind of surprised i thought more asian americans are getting killed because of their race than trans or disabled because of what they are


frostywafflepancakes

It’s true. Asians always have to work so much more harder to gain the same amount of respect and treatment as everyone else.


ExiaValvrave

>are the most discriminated against minority group in America (with the exception of trans / disabled). I'm sorry what? How are trans people the most discriminated group in America when they're the most in demand group of people for company's to flaunt around? Physically and mentally disabled are of course the most discriminated group by far in every society. Keep in mind trans people get a month, we don't. Is that whole month a bunch of pedantic, pandering nonsense? Definitely. But it shows who America values right now. >Throughout his campaign, Yang faced harsh criticism from almost every mainstream news outlet (many of which relied on Asian stereotypes to discredit his character and ability to lead). That was disappointing yes, but a large majority of the disinterest problably comes from his weak leadership and innovation. Besides UBI, what is he pushing for? Not much, from my memory. Plus, voting for someone based on their race is something we ought to fight against, not for just because it's "our guy." Who he isn't. He's not a rep for ALL Asians.


narkflint

Wait hold on though - I would love to see an Asian man as mayor of NYC. But we shouldn't just be voting for Yang bc of how he looks. The man has said some pretty unhealthy things about Asians in America. For example - https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/12/andrew-yang-and-the-model-minority-myth https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/17/20864861/andrew-yang-debate-asian-stereotype-model-minority-myth He had my vote in the early days but lost it after I realized that what he stood for was not racial solidarity with other POC or even amongst Asians.


plshelp987654

read the Politico article- Yang's Asian American SuperPower


FreeBobbyShmurder

I definitely found some of his comments troubling. However, on, principle, I believe in supporting our own.


sadsacsac

The bamboo ceiling certainly costed Andrew about 10% points (or a little bit more) but if you think of him as a progressive (which he really is) then you have to look at how Bernie performed in NYC during the presidential primaries. He averaged around 25%. So there's a bigger endemic issue here with NYC, they're not as progressive as people want others to believe. It is certainly going to be tough for Asian men because unless you want to start being a sellout corporate moderate, (and even then, you have to figure how you'd make up for the possible 10% dip), there's a long road ahead for AMs. Don't give up [https://youtu.be/KxGRhd\_iWuE](https://youtu.be/KxGRhd_iWuE) Also, I predict that Adams and Wiley will make it to the final round, and Adams will win by a large margin (over 60%).


Ahchluy

Both Bernie and Yang did not get the Black vote. Black people are not going to vote for you just cause you promise free shit for everybody. They just want enough programs to help the neediest (moderate). They can give two fucks about Stacey's liberal arts unpaid college debts...


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taiwwa

I agree 💯 with this. Smart politicians plot when seats become open and where they have the best chance. Taking on NYC Mayor as him is just insane.


mongolz777

Remember the smear campaign against him just because he was asian, my brothers. Never forget these pinkos and other PoC and Uncle Chans. All the those insignificant twitter Lus who also hate on him just because he is an AM must be cloud nine right now.


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FreeBobbyShmurder

The media knows exactly what they are doing. Trying to reinforce an outdated social hierarchy. It’s infuriating to watch


Paul5By5

He kept tripping on his dick when he spoke or typed something on Twitter. He lost due to his impulse control and lack of seriousness.


Ahchluy

I don't think it's that...Wasn't the Black/Hispanic community hostile to Yang whenever he tried campaigning there? He didn't get their votes so he lost. I really hope that NYPD guy brings back stop and frisk.


LXM-VortexStorm

Yup and then black people get votes just for being black. Their policies could be dog crap and it wouldn't even matter too much.


colmillerplus

I don’t see this changing any time soon. Why stay in a country where Asian men are perceived as lowest in the social and political hierarchy by the majority. Life is short and for some moving to Asia is a possible solution. YMMV, but personally moving to Asia was one of the best decisions.


Muted-Construction55

Yang is setting the ground work for Asian Americans. With Asia growing economically and population wise, it’s a matter of time and demographic shifts.


FreeBobbyShmurder

Lmao lowest on the social hierarchy? Clearly you’ve never met Asians with money. Have fun wallowing in self pity.


colmillerplus

Money without political or social power.


FreeBobbyShmurder

Political power is irrelevant. Money is synonymous with social power.


EXwater

I agree with you, but I don't know where else to go... Maybe Canada?


colmillerplus

Why would you want to go to another Anglo Saxon country?


EXwater

It's close by.


FreeBobbyShmurder

We don’t need validation. Chase a check. Go on Tinder. Get property. Fuck everyone else


EXwater

Tinder doesnt work for Asian men.


baronofthewest

Disagree - I won’t say it’s easy for many Asian guys on there but a lot of younger girls are into Asian guys these days.


Anthroplogy

Let's leave the state. You already know a few people who have. Everyone does. We may always love home, but we have no responsibility to go down with the ship.


FreeBobbyShmurder

What state then?


Anthroplogy

Michigan! We can see the Northern Lights, we're already used to the cold, we can swing elections, and I hear they have Sasquatch there


TexasRoast

Andrew Yang ran a bad campaign and he thought he could win based on name recognition alone. Frankly, I’m glad he won’t be the first Asian man to become mayor of NYC. A better AA candidate will enter the national stage soon. Edit: keep them down votes comin


FreeBobbyShmurder

He ran a bad campaign but I don’t think it warranted the criticism he received. I definitely have reservations about his character and uncle chan type behavior


Ahchluy

He knew the Asian elites were going stab him in the back.. That's why he didn't appease them. I think it's kinda like what I do when I go to a party and see the self-hating Asian chick eyeballing me. I just ignore her and talk to the Whites.


FreeBobbyShmurder

The amount of mental gymnastics minorities have to do to survive in this world is exhausting. Your enemies are your friends and your friends are your enemies. And yet, everyone still hates you. Crazy right?


Ahchluy

Yes. I have a pride and ego problem so I can't really kiss ass like that. I haven't tried faking it till you make it. Maybe it works?


FreeBobbyShmurder

I’d rather be hated than loved for what I’m not. You just have to embrace being the villain. I just act like myself. I don’t think about being Asian. If someone wants to remind me that I am, that’s on them.


TexasRoast

Like the whole “Math” thing? He went to law school and became a leader in the business world. Both endeavors involve math but he’s not a mathematician. He leaned into a stereotype; the same “positive” one (model minority myth) that allows white Americans to justify white supremacy and oppression. Why would I vote for that? And yeah sorry I believe in Asian Americans enough to believe that a better Asian candidate will run and win in the near future. So many of my most successful friends in engineering, medicine, tech, business, politics, law, etc are Asian American. In the long-run, immigrants have done amazingly well politically in America, Asian immigrants are no exception.


FreeBobbyShmurder

100% agree. Yang’s attempt to leverage the math stereotype was downright ridiculous. His campaign slogan might’ve well been love u long time sucky sucky 5 dolla. Even if he had won, white people would’ve coped by saying he was just smart / good at math and not an actual leader. Kind of a shit head move. Really reminds me of Asian kids I knew in school who would say Asian jokes to white kids for their 5 seconds of fame. The issue was they were being laughed at, not with


Ahchluy

I doubt it. How often do you see Charismatic politicians, let alone Charismatic Asian politicians? These types of leaders are usually once in a lifetime type.


bfangPF1234

Speaking of 11.8 percent, keep in mind even the voting age population may not really be 11.8 percent of the voter base since Asians have a higher proportion of non citizens compared to other racial groups.


ninbushido

Yeah there was a good amount of anti-Asian racism and also sensationalist coverage, but it sucks that didn’t do better. Hoping Garcia pulls out a victory through RCV, we’ll have to see how the absentee votes look like. Yang and Garcia had similar views on stuff like housing and transit, which is 80% of my priority anyways. We need to yeet the fucking NIMBYs.


SwirlQueen2022

If he had the most name recognition then how does that prove he was discriminated against? What about the other Asian men who are in office at the local, state, and federal level including judges? I'm not a New Yorker but most of the time native New Yorkers are shrewd and not easily swayed by a lot of fluff. Although voter turnout seemed to be low, people voted the way they felt was best. There were plenty of "hit pieces" aimed at Adams and like I said, I'm not even in NYC but heard about all the hoopla even where I live. I think it's a bit of a reach to judge the situation of all Asian men just based off Yang's situation. Not sure if you remember a few years ago, a lot of people thought Jeb Bush was going to be "the inevitable" GOP candidate for President and winner because of him having the Bush name and brand behind him. The media talked about him ALL the time but then something happened (not sure what) but then suddenly he lost all the media coverage and his campaign seemed to fall flat on its rear end. To this day, I still have no idea how it happened but it did. I'd have to look it up but I think he did poorly in the primaries. The COVID Hate Crimes Bill passed with flying colors in Congress so you may want to keep that in mind as well. Best wishes.